paris

[jaredspurr]

hope all clan mates in the area are safe, sadly 140+ people have lost they lives due to terrorist. this is topic is not about flamming them even though most would love to, @Mojo do we have any members that you can think of from the area

[Mojo]

There are few French members in the clan or clan world. Only one I know is Snowzak, don't think he lives in Paris luckily.

[Mochacho456]

Unfortunately this is going to become more and more common, as it has become in the last few years.

[Suffud]

Had a friend only get home today after being over there. She was pretty freaked out over it. Horrible thing to happen, i'm surprised it was so low casualties, if they actually got the first off in the stadium as intended, then everybody floods out and hit them, would of been 1000s.

[Snowzak]

I live near enough that I go regularly to the places targeted. Was at the Bataclan concert hall 24 hours before for a concert and generally hang out in those areas. Scary shit. Know people that know people of course but that seems to be the case with everyone right now, especially among young people. As Moch said, after last time in January the questio wasn't if it was going to happen again but when it would.

[jaredspurr]

paris is doing which i wish usa would do and just bomb the fuck out of them

[Mojo]

paris is doing which i wish usa would do and just bomb the fuck out of them

USA has been bombing ISIS a lot more frequently than France has been.

[Snowzak]

Mojo is correct- sadly it seems that bombing Syria and Iraq isn't really a strategy that can be entirely effective: all of the actors are born and raised in France. For me the root causes are at home, as are the solutions: schools, sports, jobs and anything that can help connect our Muslim youth to the rest of society.

[jaredspurr]

paris is doing which i wish usa would do and just bomb the fuck out of them

USA has been bombing ISIS a lot more frequently than France has been.

i feel like we haven't done it well enough, the next day france is bombing they main capital. and as i read it said france is making it rain hellfire lol

[Mochacho456]

Mojo is correct- sadly it seems that bombing Syria and Iraq isn't really a strategy that can be entirely effective: all of the actors are born and raised in France. For me the root causes are at home, as are the solutions: schools, sports, jobs and anything that can help connect our Muslim youth to the rest of society.

At least one was posing as a syrian refugee, possibly from another middle eastern country. There are several ways to win this fight, easily too - it just "costs" too much.

1. Level Raqqa / Syria into a parking lot [Cost: Losing Position of the righteous, "humanity"]
2. 250,000 american boots on the ground [Cost: American lives]

Unfortunately Daesh has been abusing the migrant flow and integrated actors within the groups of refugees with fake passports, stolen passports, cover stories, and i'm sure there are many many more cells in France, UK, Sweden and most certainly Germany. the USA / Canada have an advantage have having a nice water gap and can heavily screen refugees, but Canada has already been hit by 2 lone wolf terrorist attacks, and i fear more will follow.

There's no way to "win" without losing. We are in for a few interesting years.

[Snowzak]

paris is doing which i wish usa would do and just bomb the fuck out of them

USA has been bombing ISIS a lot more frequently than France has been.

i feel like we haven't done it well enough, the next day france is bombing they main capital. and as i read it said france is making it rain hellfire lol

Nah they dropped 20 bombs, destroyed some camps but no kills apparently.

Yeah Moch there's no 0 cost option of course - but what should we do? turn away everyone fleeing from ISIS on the grounds they might be ISIS?

[Mochacho456]

Yeah Moch there's no 0 cost option of course - but what should we do? turn away everyone fleeing from ISIS on the grounds they might be ISIS?

Would you buy a bag of 25 apples if one of those apples would kill you and behead your family?

I have some pretty hard core conservative beliefs - If an option presents serious risks, the option should be rejected. We can't "Screen" Syrian refugees. There's no Syrian government left to verify the identities, the passports are half fake, the others have been stolen, etc. There's no winning in all of this - but we can always choose not to increase risk. I feel the best option from the point of the west is to pay towards massive camps in Turkey / SA / Qatar, etc. For the cost of bringing 1 family over, they could sponsor 10 overseas.

[Kyle]

I live near enough that I go regularly to the places targeted. Was at the Bataclan concert hall 24 hours before for a concert and generally hang out in those areas. Scary shit. Know people that know people of course but that seems to be the case with everyone right now, especially among young people. As Moch said, after last time in January the questio wasn't if it was going to happen again but when it would.

Glad you're okay, mate.

[Lait_Choco]

Good to hear you are okay Snowzak & haven't lost anyone of your family/friends.


Btw; Brussels terror level 4 out of 4, rest of Belgium level 3,
level 4 : avoid places where many people congregate : concerts and major events , stations and airports , public transport and busy shopping streets. And it doesn't suprise it was organized in Molenbeek.
+ 400 mil euro for police forces, and army on the streets.

Belgian troops on the streets of Brussels.

[Fury Os]

Scary stuff man.  :/