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Haven't tried it yet. Need to consistently get sub 9 minute floors before I try it. It's main pro is to help me need less prep but I lose time in the rooms anyways so no point trying it yet

New pb! Slower olm by a lot - mainly due to noodle bow and missing specs in both p1 and p2. I don't think I missed any ticks in my 4:1 but had to brew a bit too much from a bad acid run. Slow tekton but I said fuck it Then I fucked up crabs but still chugged on Felt like a fast demon but still seems a bit on the slow side Shamans for sure I hit many 0's. Main time lost however was lost on the 3 minute prep Finally did a good 3 minute vangs room. I think I know what the cycle / pattern I need to do to keep hitting and not resetting any Thieving decent/ Vesp decent I should've seen my time and done a half skip (kill rangers leave magers) - would've saved like 30 seconds there Could've had a sub 9 minute second floor if I did just that one thing Guardians and vasa were 2 minutes a piece which is also about average. I don't see how I can speed up guardians other than praying for rng Vasa I feel like I hit all my switches in time so that's all rng at this point too. Mystic I got punched twice but didn't venge any so that was sad Mutta was slower cause I was brewing too much for big mutta. Need to do brew+twisted in the ticks between my bow shots Also banking between Mutta/Olm I should try to be faster - maybe if it was only 45 seconds instead of 57 I would've had a sub 9 minute 3rd floor too

Ran a few duo's today and without any fancy stuff beat my old PB Also died at olm and my partner had to get pick up dinner from the door and died during mystics during this raid WR pace for duo is 27:50 with a 7:35 Olm. So if we can get something close to 30-32 minutes I'll be really fucking happy. For olm we're just doing duo mage run and face tanking the melee with scythe. I think if we really wanted to go hard we'll look at doing no preps with blood fury. --------------------------------- Onto the Solo Cox content I ran a casual raid with overprep to practice some things I saw in a few guides/videos. Double checking with the excel I had here were my main 'differences' Tekt - 1:30 (SUPER FUCKING FAST - I won't get this RNG for a long time in the future) Crab - 2:13 (+70 seconds - super fucking slow. I smashed the crabs in the wrong spot, basically lost all the time gained from the fast tekton) Demon - 4:19 (+40 seconds - had some bad scavs / a few fumbles with picking axe/ dropping pots / etc) Shamans - 1:56 (+30 seconds - ran out of prayer and was afraid to run the shamans so I had to let it jump so I could safe spot it) Prep/Bank - 3:30 (+60 seconds) - decided to over prep so this was mainly because I was being chicken Vangs - 3:57 (+60 seconds) - I reset the vangs from 1 scythe + 1 claw on the ranger. Rest of it was done pretty well but I gotta stop resetting Thieving - 3 mins(+60 seconds) - did a really bad job of setting my inventory up after vangs before banking and spent some times going for bats which is a mistake (especially when I prepped so many brews) Vesp - 1:16 - Was faster than the average time so no complaints there Rope - 2 mins - (+20 seconds) I just killed magers and rangers so I didn't save time since I didn't half skip Guardian - 2:09 - basically same as average, didn't miss ticks so it's just rng here Vasa - 2:53 (+60 seconds) had to panic brew a few times so I missed hitting at 120 stats for quite a bit. I think it was 4 crystals and 2 tele's. I need to get better at this room for sure Mystic - 2:28 (this is just rng but I feel like I missed some time because vesp died in the opposite side of the room and I should've just dropped my low dose brews to pick up the fresh ones instead of chugging) Mutta - 2:10 - Basically the same as the average. I think I did it properly this time and got lucky I didn't get stacked out like I normally do Olm Average should be a minute faster. Probably 20 seconds in P1,p3 and head phase would fix it. Which basically equates to 1 botched acid run/brewed down hits for 15 seconds and missing ticks in head phase trying to dodge crystals. -------------------------------- Reading up, it looks like I'm not losing the majority of the time in a few specific rooms, rather I'm below average at all of them (the ones that aren't just RNG based) Great. At some point I need to learn to do vesp using 1 or fewer restores (camping enhance) Full rope skip (with 2 pnecks to start) After that I can consider doing no preps. However I need to first be able to consistently hit 40 min raids I think. No point trying to squeeze the extra 2 minutes from prepping less or none at all if I'm losing 8 minutes worth of time in the other rooms. Also need to get better at olm -faster to get into cycle -acid run without chugging 2 brews -maybe get inquistor so I don't miss so many hammers - cause each missed hammer is basically + 30 seconds -------------- Aight I think that was sweaty enough

I got some average room times for solo CM so I added a few seconds to every room and the banking/inbetween to get the following: Left side is basically a prep+half rope skip method which is what I'm most likely going to do? Right side is basically WR pace rooms + no prep and full rope skip with pnecks and the kitchen sink (no thanks) As I expected, thieving/vangs are my slowest rooms by far. And making olm mistake free will be nice so I don't lose 30k points to one death near the end

Same guys I learned Tob/CM with. Some friends from a previously disbanded clan that we just still hang about with. We just have similar schedules so we game a lot together ----------------------- SOLO CM News: Was a ridiculously scuffed raid. I didn't bring a defender in, so I didn't have it to spec demon/tekton hit guardian/vasa crystals/vangs. Still ended up having my fastest down time ever 11min first floor I scuffed a few crystals so I could should be faster here. Tekton rng was faster than average. Demon was slow and I didn't get enough kindling for the first burner so it ran out early I should be able to knock another minute off this by removing mistakes. Not sure how to be 'faster' than that because I'm still prepping a little bit 11:30 second floor Vangs and thieving were terrible. I think I opened 50 chests to get 30 grubs which is sad. Should aim for 2:30 vangs and 2 min thieving? I instead did like 4:30 vangs and 3 mins at thieving. Did a half rope skip (killed rangers but skipped magers) so on pb attempts I'll bring 2 pnecks and skip them both - I should probably practice this though 9:48 3rd floor Guardians and Vasa I probably lost around 3:30 minutes because I didn't have defender. I couldn't even kill the first vasa crystal in the first 17 hits. Was 120 stats the whole time but the rng was hilariously sad. 11:40 Olm I need to practice regulars to get this lower. I think CM olm should be sub 11 if you're not bad. Regular cox should be sub 10 as well. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Had probably my best rooms but died and fucked up the Olm 3xwhich ended up being a 14 minute olm. Lost all my times cause I didn't save it properly but it was like 47 minutes when a 10 min olm could've gotten me probably 44 minutes? Still can take a few minutes off of each floor and haven't done rope skip yet. Will try to document each floor better but I was a little tiled with how bad the olm went this time

Ok so the trick is to not be bad and die and I can get sub 40's probably

Busy afk training the alt so I couldn't prescout for myself. Sent a few CM's instead cause I sold some shit for inq mace which should make tekton more consistent and 'faster' Got a sub 50 solo CM Need to work on finishing first floor before 11 minutes Gotta get to olm before 30 minutes if I want anything close to sub 40 (10 min olm will be average I think)

Aight, so solo CM's are gonna be put on hiatus cause I can't be assed to do Tekton reset simulator for 20 minutes to get a kill within 5 minutes. Gonna wait till I can afford inquisitor's (armour or mace or both?) because I try it again. Gonna aim to scout some sort of vanguard raids so I don't have to prep ever but can take more than 4 brews into olm, until don't even need 4. At which point I can start grinding vtv's or any fast layout. Also tried a couple rope skips but I don't think the benefits / cost is worth it for me yet (Although it'll be helpful to learn for CM's in the future as well)

I think the biggest difference is that I have scythe now? But for solo's I don't actually use scythe - I'm just doing lance 4:1 for melee. Yes there exists methods with scythe that are faster but I'm not good enough at 4:1 to take advantage of those methods even if I learn them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ima skip ahead and say that our current PB'd are as follows: Solo Cox: 20:05 My first goal here before I try to get any fancy layouts or another pb is to get my olm time to be sub 10. Anything above 10 is deemed a 'slow' olm. Really all I need to do is miss less ticks, set up cycle faster so I don't get tele'd around everywhere, and try to only brew right before ovl ticks (every 15 seconds) so I'm always hitting at 120 stats. Solo CM: 51:44 Trio CM: 27:31 5 Man CM: 25:32 The BIGGEST time saves in all of the scales is to either not prep at all - or prep less. For CM's we've gone from doing massive prep to something like 11 brew 6 revites each to 'Africa Prep' which is this: In fact we're now doing even less than that graph, and instead of prepping between shamans and vanguard, we're sending everyone down to vanguards with the pots we bring in. And when vangs are close to dying 1 guy will go up and prep. (They'll log out and log in when the team tags the lower level after thief/vesp/rope) Other gimmicks we do - that all speedy teams do - listed below Chopping mutt tree instead of freezing (saves similar time but this way we have less switches and more people on vengeance) Full rope skip + tele grab Venge bomb vasa Venge bomb demon if possible Milestones we aim for when speed running are: 5 min first floor (our pb is like 5:30?) 11min 2nd floor (pb is like 12:20) 18min 3rd floor/olm start (pb is like 19:11) 6 minute olm (pb is like 6:30) There's room to speed up everywhere but mostly the rooms are causing us trouble

Looking for a good group that will be around for more than a few months to pk and associate with Pog comment right there. Welcome!

Ya everyone please feel free to ask any questions if they're confused by anything here as well.

Been messing about for the past few months in CoX since I'm kinda burnt from ToB and Inferno. Didn't feel like posting about my alt's progress since multiple members have more accounts and more complete accounts for pking and pvming. Got really into doing speedy chambers and CM and I've been posting it in the discord for quite a while but felt like I could tell a 'better' story in the forums. So the endgame 'goals' are: Sub 17min Solo regular (WR is 14:45) Sub 24min Trio CM (WR is 22:45) Sub 23min 5 man CM (WR is 21:26) Oh probably a sub 40min Solo CM?(WR is 31:23) But this is gonna be fucking hell on earth to get Some milestones to get before those ones? Sub 20min Solo regular Sub 26min Trio CM Sub 25min 5 man CM Had to go pretty far back in the screenshots to see where I started 1st solo? Earliest CM I could find Will post some more updates later about what I've done till now and what I / we (my team) have learned!

IT'S DONE 35 attempts this week (two weeks?) 3 deaths at triples 10 deaths at zuk (due to jad/zuk/ranger) ;askdfjdkasj;flasdfk;asdf

Yes thats right, 3 deaths today post healers

No great show is amazing from episode one. Lots of good shows took time to develop the plot / characters etc. That being said. Stop at season 6 like he said

Went 1/3 beating waves today only to die early during triple Jads. Gonna need to take a longer break to calm my nerves next time I'm consistently getting to jads in 2hrs now. Don't know if I want to get faster or just stay consistent but I did die twice on the 50s today as well which is sad

God damnit another one during 2nd jad

Still not keeping up with shield in that same fucking corner Happy with the time, but I think I can/should go faster

Completely missed a flick. Good news is I'm pretty confident with waves now, I'd like to be a bit faster than 2hr 30 mins to get to jads though

Didn't have time to explain the last attempt and it's 4:40 am now and I've forgotten much about it. Main updates are that I'm using ancestral instead of Justi but basically using Arma only post wave 50. Got a lot better at flicking between two mobs (including melee + anything) to the point that most damage I receive is from bats and mini blobs Got a lucky 63 wave spawn and the rest of the waves till had were easy compared to the 60-63s Jads and triples is easy mechanically but the nerves for the first time are pretty crazy. Next time I see them will be even easier I hope Zuk fight was disappointing, killed the ranger in the first set and got zuk below 600 but I stayed at safe spot too long and ate a big zuk hit when I tried to catch up to shield. Gotta remember to stay a bit infront or in the middle of shield. Tomorrow will be fun if I can get back to sleep !!

"stay with shield" oops

Bad morning attempts today (31, 31, 48) Sending 1 or two more this afternoon

Sent another one after and died wave 41. I think 3 max per day

Need to use more arma and brews still. This death still could've been easily avoided but runs are getting faster (85 mins for this) - 100 mins for the last one at 49