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Posted: April 13, 2009 03:12 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478    | Ok I was thinking how we always seem to have people in irc during raids but have a low turn out. A more flexible kind of system could be used. Instead of having set times and dates for raids we can have a channel. This channel can be #wgwilderness for instance. Anyone that wants to raid can hang out in there, talk with people and organize a group into the wilderness. Of course your thinking well Vephy don't you need a raid leader to set up raids? In a way you are right. We do need people who have experience and leadership qualities and I'm sure raid leaders would be willing to join fairly often in organizing as well. However this could give a great chance for members to learn what it is like to be in a leadership position. It would facilitate and create future raid leaders and better fighters overall. In the process it would create more community within the pking events that we have. This loose more flexible structure will help get the interest back into pvp and draw the community closer together. What do you think of this idea? ANYONE THAT WANTS TO JOIN #wgwilderness --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:13 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I like your thinking assuming these people actually raid once and a while.  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:15 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 | I support the all mighty Vephyrus. I fink I should also lead raids if no other leaders are available lol. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:16 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Ya well we can build it up as we go along. The irc channel can start out small, but since it is such easy access it can grow quite easily. We can test it out for week maybe? -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:34 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | Well it's not like your going to constaly pull 20 people to raid. In the channel will be at most 10 people that actually want to raid. So instead of pulling 10 people of out the 20 people in irc. You will pull the 10 people that actually want to come. I see no difference. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:36 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Ok listen, I mean we can slowly grow the interest in raiding by having an area where people can freely organize raids. Also people can learn how to lead them perhaps if raid leaders are unavailable. Please think about my idea before dismissing it based purely on our pulls each week haha. If you base everything on that it is pretty bleak if no one encourages and builds up the enthusiam and community again. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:43 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | When we do have spur of the moment raids. We end up running into PH/Terminal and our 1 leader dies. Eventually a normal member needs to take lead, which happens but that member has experience so its okay. What you say is already being done, just not as much as it seems like you want to. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:45 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 | Agreed. I think to be negative and assume we will never grow raids doesn't help. I also think what we're doing now definitely isn't working, so we may as well try something else, and what Vephy is suggesting couldn't possibly do any harm so why not try it. If we start doing something like this, combined with good recruitment we could have some good raids going after awhile. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:45 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
I wasn't thinking random raids. People that want to raid on a given day can hang out in #wgwilderness till they get people that are interested. We can even invite clan allies too. My reasoning is simply why not? What harm can it do besides encourage more members to raid? Do you have a better idea? -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:48 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 |
What you're saying is true and I agree. In f2p raids we always end up after about 30 minutes or so fighting ph at fog, and it's totally pointless and I've grown tired of the same thing over and over. What we need is something new. All this entails is two things to me: 1) More p2p pking and if someone says it's more expensive...well I can disprove that easily if you want to try that excuse with me 2) Pk in different areas (there are plenty of multi places other than wild; especially in p2p) -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:54 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | I had never said i disagreed, it's a thought. I'm just expressing my opinion to the post. And in the end, it isn't my word that hammers down what will and will not happen. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:56 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Dude Saad... What's with the negativity? A member voices a suggestion and a leader shoots it down right away? --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:57 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
K well the last sentence was very definitive. I'd like to see more active approaches to raiding than mandated ones. We need to be brainstorming ideas, I'm welcome to suggestions on how to improve this idea? Even if not all aspects you would think would guarentee 100% success? Experimentation can be fun and rewarding after all if done with the leaders guidance and support. That is all. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 03:58 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 |
I never said you disagreed in the first place. I purely said I think the kind of thinking that raids just can't get better isn't going to help. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 04:05 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | This won't pull numbers. MEGARAIDS WORKED GREAT WHY'D WE SCRAP EM@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------------    | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 04:05 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
How about you try it out for week. Ya going to try this anyway. ANYONE THAT WANTS TO JOIN #wgwilderness -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 10:55 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | It's an idea, but you are likely to get less people to these raids, than we already get to our current fixed raids. That's the truth of it... fixed times mean people get into a routine and remember to come each week. --------------------    | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 12:07 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Our p2p raid went well actually. So first raid with the idea was a success. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 04:00 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I love your idea Vephy. I actually enjoy the more casual raids cause I don't feel so much pressure and can actually learn. My disagreement only comes from the channel choice to use. You could start another war/raid channel cause that one is mostly for members and you will want to be open to people who sit in the lobby or friends. If you want a channel made, I would be willing to set that up. PM me about it. I kept the notes from when I set up my own channel on irc. Good Luck.  I will stop by to raid once in a while as well.Rachy --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 04:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I think it'd be better to have fixed raids, but also a system for pick-up raids that would still count as full attendance. That way there's a structured schedule but still room for maneuverability.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 06:08 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 | Anybody that supports this idea or wants to be a part of it, or just if you suddenly have an urge to raid, then please join #wgwilderness when you're on the irc, and if enough people are on and somebody is willing to lead, we will host short-prep raid. We already tried this once last night and it went great! A few kills including almost a guy in ahrims. Glenn has already said he supports the idea and led the raid, and it was a great job. Anyone interested in these short-prep raids just hang out in #wgwilderness when you get that sudden need to raid. Eregion my rebuttle is that fixed raids are good once in awhile, but many people have scheduling problems, or just plain forget there is a raid. If it's a fixed raid and nobody shows up, then basically we're screwed and have to skip the raid. This way you can join and feel free to raid anytime, and if there's enough people there then we raid. That way we always have enough opts or at least people who WANT to raid, not just people who show up because they feel they have to. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 06:52 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | If raids are failing with a schedule, they'll die immediately without one. You'll end up with a handful of people who show up and the whole rest of the clan will be like "well uh... it was unscheduled, didn't know we were having it."  Just my .02, I'm on the non-warring list so it doesn't effect me either way, but it'll effect the clan. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 07:16 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: dieyou2000 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 711 Member No.: 1300 Joined: August 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 158 | Fair enough point. I just think the raids now aren't doing very well obviously, so we may as well try something new eh. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 13, 2009 08:56 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
They could see people enjoying raiding more often and might be encouraged to come more often as well. -------------------- | ||
Posted: May 1, 2009 12:13 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | I resurrect thee. #wgwilderness for making raids -------------------- | ||
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