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Posted: May 17, 2009 09:01 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | Follow on. This is a VERY important announcement. Don't miss any details.  Think of WG as a living organism that looks like a 6-legged starfish. The picture above shows what each of those legs represents. The leadership is the beating heart, and the members, the pumping blood. Our limbs have withered away save 2. I'm going to cover each of those limbs. Warring Strength It is hanging in there, because we do have 55 members which is better than 0. But because we don't have enough blood pumping into our wars (members attending), this limb has withered away. Once things turn for the worse, this is the first limb to wither. Event Variety Once you don't have enough members, you don't have events either. With no recruitment, and a shrinking clan, this limb becomes the second part of WG to shrivel up. Recruitment Larger clans don't have to recruit heavily. Neither did we when we had over 100 members. The larger a clan gets, the easier recruitment gets too! It's ironic that the smaller you get, the harder it is to recruit. But that's why we're stuck... because we can't produce more blood to pump. This arm is the third to wither. After events and warring has gone down, so does recruitment. High Morale This has withered away too because we don't have enough members. This limb tends to wither after other arms have withered. It is the fourth arm to wither. Close-Knit Community This is the one that is on its way. After the other arms dry up and stop pumping, this one decays straight away. As you can see on our diagram, we're entering the withering stage of this one now. It is the second last limb to go. Stability The greatest asset WG has is its stability. We don't die. This will be the last limb for us to cling onto. It is the only thing that the inactivity cannot touch. So while the rest of us has decayed away, We will never lose this limb, and that is the best news. ________ Summary Inactivity is a Cancer. It starts on one limb and decays it, and works its way through the others. A weaker clan would die, but WG, one of the most stable clans in the game's history, will not die, even if the cancer eats us down to our last limb. EVERYTHING relies on the blood of WG. If there is no blood pumping into each leg of the clan, it falls down. All these limbs will heal themselves if we recruit. And the good news is that there is a recruitment limb - once we start recruiting, it gradually gets easier. The Antidote This brings me to the point I want to make. The antidote is improving recruitment. We've tried though, haven't we? We can't get much further. 1. Requirements This is why I am a strong advocate of lowering requirements. We don't have enough going for us to be elitist. We have to take what we can get. Until our limbs grow back, beggars can't be choosers. The requirements MUST be lowered. 2. Referrals Imagine doubling our ML in 3 weeks. All it would take is for each of us to refer 1 member in the space of 3 weeks. 3 weeks is enough to make a good friend and tell them about WG. At 110 members, EVERY limb in WG would fully heal. Imagine being completely healed in 3 weeks. I am entertaining thoughts of writing up a checklist for every member. I might even host another raffle for everyone who refers. Winner gets a T-Shirt, or maybe something even better, like a $50 USD (or currency equivalent) gift voucher. This is a work in progress. May consider giving a bonus to the referred members too. 3. Recruitment Team Getting off your asses and recruiting people and stuff. I should probably offer a similar reward, such as raffling off a prize. But one thing is for certain, promotions will come faster to those who recruit. 4. Bringing back old faces This will only happen if they see WG has something going for it. We'd have to crack the 100 member mark before we see our old faces. And even then, don't be too optimistic. I had abandonment. They will only be rejoining for the good times. Where were they for the bad times? Members like that are not worth too much attention, though it would be nice to have them back. 5. Recruitment movies This is my thing, but until I am free, I can't finish that epic flash video I was working on. 6. An expansion of the public boards. Attracting guests is a good step indeed. Bringing interest to our boards will help. Money buys this. A monthly raffle of something or another will fix this. New forums for clan discussion and shit, and a more detailed RS forum... I'll get our new council to work on this _______________ That's all I've got. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 11:28 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | i've got my final exams over the next month then i'll try to return active again for a bit. -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
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Posted: May 17, 2009 11:32 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | I am with the lowering requirements thing, because we will then appeal to alot more people. Im going for 95+? 95 combat is hell easy to get. So yea. Do that. We can then basically do what TDM did to win wars. Just pull stupid amounts of people. x --------------------    | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 12:03 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | Sounds good, honestly i've been slacking on recruitment a bit, but recently (last week or so) i've been checking forums regulary + ingame n stuf, not much luck though. --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 12:11 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: chip54321 Group: Emeritus Posts: 532 Member No.: 119 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 197 | I'll try to recruit a few friends, haven't been pulling my weight there, I'll also try to host an event sometime in the next week too (probably corp. beast hunting). --------------------      | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 01:13 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: |Tezza| Group: Emeritus Posts: 1430 Member No.: 60 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12 | I'll take the recruiting part seriously -------------------- Joined Wg - 18th January '05 (s4 vet) Ex-WG Moderator  | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 01:17 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Lowering the reqs and Mass recruiting won't save us but doesn't sound like there's anything I can do to stop you. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 03:48 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Whenever I train or do anything I always bring up WG and try to get them to visit the site. RSC is a touch place to compete because we don't exactly have the greatest reputation there and we're constantly competing against other clans that do have good reputations. Our only hope for decent recruitment is in-game and other forums. We could try making a RSB post and then telling them to add the people that are on our recruitment team and then tell them to visit our site and stuff like that? --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 03:49 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Mass recruiting can save us. If we each pull in 1 member, even if 50% of those members stay, that is another 25 members to our memberlist. Then if those people are encouraged to bring in 1 of their friends, 50% of that would bring in 12 more members. At that point we have risen 75% in our memberlist. I will personally train every new person in the art of warring and tanking, one on one, or whatever it requires. I make this my oath, and if you find someone that needs to learn how to tank, send them to me. Everyone is saying "LALZ LOW LEVELS CAN'T TANK!!@!@ LOLZ" when that is not true. I came into WG not knowing how to tank, not knowing how to war, and I got voted best tank under 110 combat... :S All someone really needs is a little one on one time with another lower level. If they are higher level, then it will make it easier, but still.. they can get KOed. The thing is, new members in WG are not seen as a new person, well entirely at least. We see them as a "noob" that "doesn't know how to tank" or "is just active to get past their trial period". Fuck the generalizations. We have to break through it. On the topic... great explanation Gene. The only thing is, as members of WG, we have to fix what you pointed out instead of just looking at your words and your picture as if nothing is going wrong. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:33 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
In my initial post, I said beggars can't be choosers. 100+ reqs are what it takes. Your own suggestion topic says "make it easier to get into WG" -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:42 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Ah what a good analogy , it works really well. So let's get cracking on this. I suggest you lower the Reqs as soon as you possibly can, if you do that I can refer two more people momentarily... Secondly- (suggested before)- we need to set up a leader of the recruitment team- NOT a staff member, someone chosen for their capabilities. Someone who will keep recruitment going, ensure that people are pulling their weight etc. ~George --------------------    | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:44 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | If you have people to refer, inform them that we are temporarily ignoring the reqs. We are abiding by 100+ -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:49 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | Interesting analogy, is really logical actually. Not only do I think that recruitment is a solution, but getting the current 'blood' we have 'pumping'. Basically if we can get the members we have now active and eager to help things will flow much more smoothly. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:59 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Yeah but I don't really agree with it after I thought about it for awhile. Whatever, I guess it's worth a shot, if it doesn't I can make my own I told you so topic  -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 05:10 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I agree completely...lower requirements, then when they join encourage them to train up. You can join low, but that doesn't mean you have to stay a lower cmb level. We have plans in place to help people be stronger. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 05:16 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | Don't forget our wonderful web site, it is a real asset for recruitment. WG  --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 10:30 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
I have 4 on my friends list to tell today. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 01:35 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
overall review and strategic approach. my only question is...inactivity for new recruits are high. the truth i'm getting to is that we don't offer incentive to allow the newbies to stay. two ways i see this encouraging is one on one interaction using the mentorship system. (which i had during my time and helped me thru one month on trial) having a timetable for newbies to guardians. in which case from the moment a newbie places an intro we should take that date and set a goal date and do everything possible to lend a hand if that person is willing to cooperate. if not then we let that person go at it on their own. events are very important, especially those that don't involve going to get yourself owned for cash. in all honesty if we pvp for the gp it dosen't make us any better than gamblers nor those that search only for wealth. orientation is key and for the new guy they need to be introduced to the members, i spend 1 month (trial-guardian phase) knowing only three members, mickie, arsenalfan, and sonixpher. as with his lordship strategic indicates, if we take care of our ourselves by rewarding daily for what to some elitest call "average" and take care of our new recruits. as for warring strength. i'm training to maxed meele. meanwhile i'll join sniper unit and train to become a sniper. as a sniper ill face heaven and hell to protect you guys  --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 01:41 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
It has an amazingly high fail rate, but through sheer amount of numbers it works out in the end. People from TL can attest to this. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 10:20 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
+1 Especially with what Joe said about TL. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 19, 2009 02:17 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
Please tell me you're joking. We go through the same shit over and over. We raise reqs, we lower them, we go through a period of drama until many members leave, then we raise reqs again, we try to appease everyone and divide the clan, we eventually form into sectors, everyone realizes what a dumbass move sectors were and move to unify again. We don't have stability, we NEED stability. You and the council introduce new policies all the time and go back on your word: ie: Bans --------------------    | ||||
Posted: May 19, 2009 04:18 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | What the fuck are you on about? We had sectors once and never again. Hardly cyclic. If it were up to me I'd NEVER raise reqs but we keep getting new members who think they know better, so I'm pressured into raising them so they can see how stupid it is, and then they go back down. When I say stability, I mean it. We're one of the oldest clans and while we go through massive slumps, we never lose the sense that we're going to keep going. There's no joke about what I said. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 19, 2009 05:08 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guest Posts: 101 Member No.: 1815 Joined: April 1, 2009 Total Events Attended: 3 | can i suggest somthing, we could hold big public events for skilling etc, perhaps some people arnt interested becouse there into skilling and pvp side of the game and may think we are all about pvp,  --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 20, 2009 10:29 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | A very nice diagram. I am perfectly fine with lower combat levels but I suspect that there is a growing number of people who do not want to join clans. I have no proof just a general feeling. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 20, 2009 11:05 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Sucks all my friends retired/are in other clans  This is a group effort that requires EVERYONE to participate. Lets do this guys! -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
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