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Posted: December 18, 2009 09:39 pm  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558    | He's come into WG and left multiple times, and the last time he left, he KNEW FOR SURE that it was his last chance, and he wants to join again. I've told him it was his last chance, but he still refuses to listen. Members of WG, Y/N? --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 09:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Yes, Another one for the pking side of WG. If he skips any ways this time though, no fucking chances, kick his ass. Dan is a nice guy, and a good pker. Also a good skiller. Never said a bad word about WG, but make it clear. If he leaves again. He will be banned, for life. And added to the hall of shame. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 09:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | Yes. We need some members that aren't a pathetic level and lately he's earned his 2nd chance. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 09:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Yes, he has changed, I am sure he realises that he was very wrong when he left and he told me he wants to get in wg rlly bad I would make him have special conditions, ie. event activity --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 09:54 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
No. I'm sorry, you say he is a good PK'ing member, but the last time he was in WG he did fuck all. He skipped events and wars and did not contribute at all to WG other than in a negative way by stroking his Ego (showing off his wealth and levels etc.). He even left disgracefully last time, too scared to cop the flack he deserved, he got a mod to lock the post yet still left after his 3 days. I quote George on his leaving topic:
In response to me:
It really is a joke if you let him in again, this isn;t even his 2nd, 3rd or even fourth chance in WG. He treats us like a hotel that he visits every time he feels like an ego boost. I am willing to bet he will last a few months before citing another bullshit reason and leaving. --Edit-- Lee, if I'm brutally honest, why would he think that he would ever actually get banned..... his last two times in WG were his 'last chances' lmfao --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 10:01 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Erti Group: Ex-Member Posts: 600 Member No.: 1698 Joined: February 8, 2009 Total Events Attended: 58 | I understand what Jc is saying, however I would like him back in the clan even if he has left and come back multiple times. If you think about it, if he didn't care about us he wouldn't return to us. Also to what Lee said, if he skips,talks trash or leaves again,Ban. -------------------- Determination is what keeps me pumping.   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 18, 2009 10:17 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | Im with Evil on this 1 tbh --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:15 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | I like dan, hes a cool guy and very active. Alot of people have come back to wg that previously left over the last couple months, mayby all those people are back hes realising how much he misses being part of the family. Theres been a big reshuffle and alot of fresh starts, i think he should start fresh 1 last time. As long as he agrees, and every member agrees banned/hall of shamed if he leaves again (Turning emeritus dont count) lol --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:27 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mtoise Group: Ex-Member Posts: 715 Member No.: 1691 Joined: February 5, 2009 Total Events Attended: 60 | He has an rs ego and that pains on me  -------------------- "Do not believe everything that is written on the internet; for it may just be a bag of lies" - George Washington 1873 - On the long winding road to 99 slayer. 98 to 99 Slay without killing a thing. 22/28 effigy's PM me if you can assist Construction Effigy's | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:33 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | I remember him. When we met, he told me he was blind and gets his brother to do and type everything for him. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:40 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | I would say no, but we need some people that are actually good at warring atm, so ye. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:50 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Absolutely not. In no way is this going to happen.... He knew, quite rightly, and I made sure that he knew, that the last time he left that would be it. Yet, he left... again... and he was then told "you will not be allowed to rejoin WG again". If we allow him to rejoin then where does it stop? If we do that we have to give other people chances... yingyang06 for example? It undermines every last ounce of WG staff authority. No. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:51 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | No. When he's not in WG, he says it's because we suck and that he's too good for us. And when he is in WG, he has the same reasons and ends up leaving. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 12:58 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
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Posted: December 19, 2009 01:03 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | No. People say he cares about WG and that is shown because he constantly comes back. If you're so sure, what did he leave the first time? Second? Third? Someone who cares about something sticks it through the shit they don't like and wants to make stuff better. Anyone who HONESTLY believes he cares about WG is either incredibly jaded or also "cares" as much about WG as Dan does. He KNEW it was his last chance (supposedly I guess...) yet left. So yeah, he "CARES" so much about WG that when we said "If you leave again, you can't come back" to which he said "Ok, bye." Yeah he cares SO much about us. Here's something else to think about. Given his track record, you can bet your ass that he'll leave again, there really isn't any doubt about that. So let's say he does basically make a fool of WG for letting him in again, and then we do a little better in wars and junk (assuming he actually does something for us this time) what happens when he leaves again? We go back to what we've got now, but instead we've probably lost some members in the process because Dan isn't the nicest guy around. He loves to show his shit off which rubs people the wrong way but he doesn't give a shit. So he'll leave, we'll have some other low leveled members that don't know how to PK as well as him, and we'll be back where we are now with a slightly more damaged community. Steve, think back to when you were critical of BTO allowing us to use Rings of Life on raids. You said it wasn't right, that we should stand by our honor and not just take the easy way out. He said it was to help members get the confidence to raid more often and in better gear, but you really had nothing for it. So what's happening now? You're tossing aside our dignity as a clan and any self-respect we might have left for a single guy. Thinking in the short term, just like BTO was at the time where you thought it was wrong. Maybe we should let EVERYONE we gave "last chances" to back into WG when they come around, because if they didn't CARE SO FUCKING MUCH about us they wouldn't have LEFT in the first place. That is all. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 01:14 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Erti Group: Ex-Member Posts: 600 Member No.: 1698 Joined: February 8, 2009 Total Events Attended: 58 | David killed this thread lol  . -------------------- Determination is what keeps me pumping. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 01:43 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Nope, don't let him in. Don't have much respect for someone that can't provide good reasons for leaving then doesn't open himself up to the criticism that he rightfully deserves. He had his chances. Him coming back would just guarantee a ban on him in my opinion. Why waste a month or two before we do end up banning? Or are we ignoring the fact that he will leave again? He always leaves and he doesn't have a particularly strong positive influence on the community either. Why bother honestly...for few inactive combat levels on our ml? Pfft. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 01:57 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | Come on, you let me back. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 02:05 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
Dan as council? no plz --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 02:47 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Is this an arguement? If you simply want an ego boost that will be given arbitrarily through answering this implied question. You are different than Dan. You have a positive influence on the clan through decisive leadership and confidence. Maybe similar in some ways pertaining to ego but Dan offers nothing positive in return. You have been a successful Council/Warlord/Raid Leader. Has Dan done any of that? Has he been strengthening to the community or instilled confidence in our future? What has he to offer? If you truthfully with full knowledge of his past history answer these questions in the whole you will see the difference. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 02:54 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I had to vote No. Even though I like Daniel. George speaks the truth on this. If you let him in then let's get Rick Hamm or Simon/Yingyang back. What are we thinking anyone in hall of shame if they are lvl 120 plus should be able to come back? Come on guys is that how we build our community or insure we have good dedicated members in our clan? Don't let level blind you to what is the right thing to do. We need our lower levels here and I want them here. I hope they train and will learn to war with us. I hope they stay til they retire rs. No one ever hopes a member will use WG like a hotel. Rachy  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 03:22 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | No, he's just more drama then he worth. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 03:59 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 | I said no, 2 much ego for 2 few pixels. -------------------- "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 04:21 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Sorry guys. I vote yes. I have found WG to be a family and I believe IRL we have all made mistakes and have gotten a second chance. He has had two and was told this is it and he agreed but now he is asking to come back. Does a family really turn a member away? I, however, agree with the permanent ban if he fails because there is a limit--tough love guys. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 19, 2009 04:31 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | There are some dysfunctional family members I would rather not be part of. Bad analogy sorry. I doubt he has the right family spirit anyway. He is self-absorbed and doesn't contribute to the "family" -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Chap/Dan rejoining