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Posted: February 7, 2010 05:12 am  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133    | Leadership, this is directed at you. I'd like to know..... If you can promise to do the following things. ~ Kick inactives. ~ Warn skippers. ~ Make WG pk/war 4-5 times a week. ~ Atleast make an attempt at making WG good at pking. ~ Boost recruiting. ~ Boost activity. How to do all those is up to you, but I want to know if you WILL do them. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:14 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Majeic Group: Ex-Member Posts: 775 Member No.: 1671 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 77 | weren't they supposed to be doing this besides the five pks a week? --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 07:34 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Squelchyfish Group: Emeritus Posts: 625 Member No.: 38 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 71 |
Jus trawlin >:p Its liek political sattire but i am ins a roel play gamse on the inturnet! --------------------   "Take lobsters because I don't want us to die" -HisLordship on WG pvp PKing, 26 April 2010. | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 10:00 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | it starts with you council, you have to put in the hard yards to make WG all you promise --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 10:07 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mtoise Group: Ex-Member Posts: 715 Member No.: 1691 Joined: February 5, 2009 Total Events Attended: 60 | Very interesting post that was, with some nice questions we would like answering. -------------------- "Do not believe everything that is written on the internet; for it may just be a bag of lies" - George Washington 1873 - On the long winding road to 99 slayer. 98 to 99 Slay without killing a thing. 22/28 effigy's PM me if you can assist Construction Effigy's | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 10:51 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Big things were meant to be happening after xmas, as usual nothing changes. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 12:33 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | ~ Kick inactives. - Done ~ Warn skippers. - Being discussed. WILL happen. ~ Make WG pk/war 4-5 times a week. - The attendance wouldn't be good enough. If you can guarantee attendance it will happen. ~ Atleast make an attempt at making WG good at pking. ~ Boost recruiting. - We're trying, but no one is helping on RSC/Tip.It. The Leaders can't do everything. ~ Boost activity. - Same as above. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 12:56 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | how can we do the recruitment and activity by ourselves and how we supposed to do 5pk's a week whenw e cant even pull 20ppl to a normal once a week raid.... --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 01:08 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
simple, you just do it. of course you'll have a rough start but its persistence that matters. lead by example is the phrase in my mind. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 01:09 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Of course leaders can't do it alone, but one thing they can do along is post along those lines, declare objectives that are along those lines, harden the tone, make sure people stick to those objectives etc. At the time it's kind of vegetable-y. Chimpy for Council. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 01:10 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | Must be pretty demoralising for the staff when they make events/raids with low pulls from a 60 man ML though. pulling 20 people to a raid from that can be shameful if your up there, its down to use to be active too. --------------------
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Posted: February 7, 2010 01:22 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I meant to put that members need to step it up too, but I forgot  .And tbh, even if we do pull low opts to a raid, there's still a ton of stuff we can do (+1 p2p if we have really low opts) -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 01:23 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
You don't need mega opts to F2P  --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 01:26 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | Just saying that from a 60 man ML which should be active, you should be looking at 2 day prep 30 man pulls on average, anywhere but Wg --------------------
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Posted: February 7, 2010 01:40 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | 60 man ml we should pull 50 for full week preps 30 to few day preps 20 to spur of the moment stuff -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 03:15 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | P2p +1 is bad just because of jaja, aw, mlp maku, welf camping those worlds with ATLEAST 20+ ppl Then we can do fally but then again only active world is 86 with italianhoti cc with 15+ ppl -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 03:31 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | As you know, I'm in the middle of a recovery for WG. I want to ride the activity that we came across in the last war. I'm committed to lifting this clan back to a place where we get massive respect. Let me go through your list and let you know what HAS BEEN, IS HAPPENING, and WILL HAPPEN. ~ Kick inactives. We kicked inactives who didn't sign up for the war. Those who signed up as no all had very legit reasons. Our activity rate is just poor because people just don't see how important it is to attend events, and it is pretty exhausting to give all your time to WG. We have always been a casual clan, but we CAN raise the bar a little. Not much. All we can really do is monitor event attendance. I have a plan in the works that Stokenut suggested, which is event % attendance as opposed to the rolling attendance. It monitors attendance over 60 days. More on this when Robbie has time to implement this. ~ Warn skippers. You must be referring to Veph. I think skippers should be treated differently. We're not a corporation, we're a family. For example, we all know Veph is extremely active. So he comes home one evening and feels shitty and not up for raiding. Do you all really want him to raid and make him miserable? Raiding should be fun and not forced. Stop thinking of WG like its a company. Raids are not work. They are for fun. Obviously some people don't find them fun. They should leave, yes, but people like Veph who raid all the time and decide not to attend one raid... well come on. What sort of cruel person would hate him for taking a day off? I'll only punish if it is consistent skipping. Then they might be encouraged to find another clan. That I can promise. But I also want to change raids so that people want to go to them even more. Imagine of our raids were like the TBC war. Now that would make raids super fun. Again, comes down to recruitment. ~ Make WG pk/war 4-5 times a week. Ok at the moment this is impossible. 55-60 members. Attendance will get really thin. I'm the sort of person that will raid twice a week before it gets shitty. Some people might want to raid three times, and others only once. In any case, we will not be able to get people to go to most of these raids. Attendance will not hit 20 in many cases. But after recruitment and a ML of 100 people will allow this for sure. At the moment we can sustain 2 or 3 raids a week but you can bet your bottom dollar I am working toward this many raids/wars. But they'll be miniwars because I'm going to DELIBERATELY starve WG of massive mega-wars, because that makes them higher in demand. If its a rare special occassion, people will make a big deal to go to it, like we saw for the last war. So depending on how we grow over the next few months, I will direct the raid leaders to set up wars accordingly. ~ Atleast make an attempt at making WG good at pking. This is high priority for me. WG is unorganised and this goes hand in hand with how often we go out. Obviously this relates to your last point. More attendance to wilderness events will improve our organisation. We won't go out of our way to make tanking practise - there will be some, but organisation will be better learned on raids. And yes, I am serious about members attending raids. As it happens I am overseas for another weeks o there's only so much I can do right now. ~ Boost recruiting. YES! This is an absolute must for me. Activity, success in the wilderness... it all hinges on this. God it frustrates me that we aren't growing. This is my number one priority. To prove it, let me tell you I am taking days off my vacation (less sightseeing) so that i can work on this RS Machinima competition Flash movie. If we get into the final 5, we'll get major attention. Furthermore, when I get back, I'm updating the clansite and personally stalking RSC. ~ Boost activity. I'm in a tricky spot here. How far can I push WG without making us a no lifer clan. Some people like you can give many many hours a week, and other like myself or Mtoise can only spare a few hours. There aren't *that* many genuinely lazy members. Most of us happen to be out of school (part of the point of the survey) studying full time, or have full time jobs. We're not a no lifer clan like VR. I like to keep us casual but at the same time i don't like laziness. So there'll be no policiies for activity, but I'm going to assign my leadership to just report inactivity to me and we'll take it on a case-by-case basis. I think this is the best way to do it, rather than enforce activity so much it makes people unhappy. Remember, most of us are giving as much as we can. WG members tend to have busier lifestyles. That's why they chose WG... because they can play RS without getting hammered for activity. And in addition, that's a major playing card for us in the future. Most active RS players stay away from the RSC clans because the RSC clans are too obsessive. Let me tell you something about the way clans have been moving. The clan world has, over a few years, demanded more and more from their members. More pixels into the wilderness, more time for longer PKRIs, RSC activity, and much more. WG is as active (per member) as it has ever been. The DOA war, where we pulled 110 people... we had a ML of 230-240 members... so we only pulled half our ML. WG is quite active. We just didn't push our members as far as the no lifers. Frankly I'm happy with our activity rate. We just need more members. If we keep our activity rate and improve our ML size, we can achieve the same results as the no lifer clans without being as retarded as the no lifer clans. Say we had a ML of 120. We'd get a pull of 50 members to the casual raid... enough to take on most p2p clans and be competitive... and if we decided to have a PLANNED fight, we could pull 70-80... or if it was a SUPER IMPORTANT FIGHT like the TBC war, we could pull 90-100. Recruitment is what we need. I don't think pushing for activity is necessary, and that was made clear from our TBC war. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 03:37 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Fair enough on most of the stuff, but Veph has skipped mands a couple, maybe even a few times, so yeah. but anyways, I really hope we pk more than just 1-2 times a week. I also don't see us getting 100 members anytime soon, that's why we should be more strict about attendance. Thank you for the post lordy. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 03:39 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Over the course of several months. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 03:41 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I've skipped more raids than Veph. Veph is one of our active raiders as well. You're directing the frustration at the wrong member. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 04:15 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I don't think so. He broke a rule, he went unpunished. I know you've missed your fair share, but I know you don't skip to corp. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 04:22 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
LORDY RAID FFS 
Thankfully it's moving back to the 'fun' side of the scale rather than the 'forced' side now  We just need to get the turnouts up, add a bit more F2P in possibly, host a couple more allieds with TS (They work out great), abolish the monthly gear checks WAT WHO SAID THAT???  -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 04:24 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Chimpy I'm very happy to stand up for Veph because I know him to be hard working and dedicated and if he's feeling shitty and doesn't want to raid, it would take a very mean person to force him to do something he didn't want to do, especially since he actually enjoys raiding most of the time. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 04:29 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
^ Exactly. Vephy is one of our best raiders and if he doesn't want to do it one day and prefers to corp with his friends once in a while, then I am fine with that. Veph knows what is expected of him and is fully aware of the fact that it can't happen all the time, and it doesn't. Stop stop the veph hate  -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 7, 2010 05:58 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Lordy you've just invited every member to skip raids and wars as and when they like. They can use any reason they want, and you've basically just said no war or pk is mandatory. Fail. -------------------- | ||||||
Can you promise...
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