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Posted: February 21, 2010 04:08 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133    | This clan is quite frankly just getting downright pathetic. You say you want to be a top 10 clan again? Then show it. No changes are being made. And what do you know, someone(s) are leaving again because of it. It honestly pains me to tell some of my best friends that leave this clan that "Change is coming soon" when I know there is a damn good chance that I'm lieing right to their face. Most of this clan, especially the leadership, is to scared to pull the trigger. We NEED higher reqs, we NEED to be stricter with rules, skipping, and attendance/activity. We NEED all of those things, and more, to be stronger. We always say we're going to change, but we never EVER do. It's time to pull the trigger, no matter how radical a change it might seem to be. You want to be a top clan? Then lets do it. Enough of this fairying around the bush we've been doing since I joined WG. The Drama, it's bad. It's killing us. But most of the drama that I see has stemmed from the continued frustration of losing again, and again, and again. After the TBC war, when we were on a high (even though we lost), was one of the happiest times I've ever seen in WG, up there with the CR and RE fullouts that we won to take 3rd place in RAW. Ever notice, there was no dramas after those wars? Because winning, and being better at warring, makes everyone happier, thus improving the overall community, some of you hippies really need to realise that. Skipping, no matter how meritorious you were or are, shouldn't be allowed. It's complete and utter bullshit that because you are so great a staff member, that you get to skip shit because you're what, higher than everyone else? Are you better than us? NO. You're not. All you do is set a shit example of what a dedicated staff member should be, and if you're a member, how does that reflect on our trial guardians? Another thing, all raids should be mandatory. I'm tired of having shit ass raids because half of wg just wanted to sit around and fletch. It's pathetic, do you guys NOT want WG to succeed? I honestly just don't get it. In my opinon, it's a shit excuse to skip. We also, out of 5 council have one member, ONE, that knows what the hell he's doing in the wildy (well actually maybe 1.5 cause darf sucks  ). I'm sorry, but that's not a good percentage you want to be successful in the wilderness.Basically, I'm tired of all the bull, pull the trigger, or close the clan. I'm tired of this clan killing itself for the past forever, so many opportunities to be great, but we never grasp them. I'm tired of all of our suggestions seemingly being ignored by the leadership. I'm tired of all the promises to us that never happen. I'm sick and tired of it all, I want more than anything for this clan to be great, and I know we can be. Pull the trigger. --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | bang --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | Well Sir, I concur. --------------------
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Posted: February 21, 2010 04:20 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | For the people about to comment: Think before you comment, think about what you're typing and review what you're saying. Bring forth constructive points and remain calm. If you're currently too fired up, go away and come back a bit later to respond. Constructive arguments supported by points and alternatives are a lot better than flames. This is a guide for any post, it'll be one of your solutions to less drama. ------------- On this topic: I can't comment since I haven't been a member long enough yet. I'm going to add though, that even with these the upgrades you suggest, change is something that happens slowly so be ready for that as well. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:20 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Frozen 10 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1169 Member No.: 1413 Joined: October 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 67 | I totally agree with you Chimpy. Since I'm joined I heard only these things about changing but it never happens. -------------------- Expect the Unexpected.  Control your life through insanity. Trial Guardian since 05/22/09 Guardian since 06/16/09 Higher Guardian since 07/22/09 Ex-Member since 03/02/10 Trial Guardian since 09/22/10 Guardian since 10/19/10 | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:21 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Majeic Group: Ex-Member Posts: 775 Member No.: 1671 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 77 | kaboom. __________________________ May be new to staff, but I have been extremely strict about skipping. I urge everyone to come to events, spam people/channels up/ etc. I suggest everyone who is for the growth of the clan to do the same (lets not get out of hand though). --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:22 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Yes, change can come slowly. I don't mind slow, as long as it IS indeed changing. Nothing in WG is, I see promising flickers of hope, but nothing is executed, and nothing happens. Over and over and over again. Sorry if I cause any useless drama, it's not my intention, I just want to send a message to everyone, especially the leadership, to wake up. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:24 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | I really agree with most of your points.. The only thing is the "make all raids mandatory". We need to stop having random "HAY I WUNA PK SO LETS RAID K OLOLZ" raids, and actual planned ones that have meaning. Then make them all mandatory. As for the changes, you need to be more specific. I know you're laying them out, but how would we go about these changes? Can't just go "OKAY DO THAT". Give us a plan. Ideas. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:27 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Agreed with the raid part. And although there's been atleast 9001 ideas over the pas millienium on how to better the clan, I will post something about how I personally would fix the clan. I was actually planning on doing it, but I wanted to make sure everyone got the message of I'm tired of the bs and so is everyone else before I posted something that would just be ignored. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 04:40 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | 100% AGREED. Just posted a topic along these lines in lvl 3. It's pissing me right off. --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 05:06 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Squelchyfish Group: Emeritus Posts: 625 Member No.: 38 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 71 | Chimpy i saw you kill a eper so i lose respect but i do agree with what you say. The leadership say shit, but dont do shit. i really dont know what else to say, because thats your essay in one line. --------------------   "Take lobsters because I don't want us to die" -HisLordship on WG pvp PKing, 26 April 2010. | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 05:28 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I never killed an eper gg though. And epers aren't skillers, no rule against killing them, even though I don't. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 05:43 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | This is basicly what we try to do chimpy but some of the members cant handle being mature and cant handle conversations without what, no u, smd. Also anybody spamming on this topic will receive a warn lvl because this is a very serious suggestion from chimpy. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 07:47 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | What set you off here again? Most of us are trying very hard I thought then I wake up to see when trial raid leader leaving then this raid. It is like a rollercoaster. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 08:55 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | chimpy 4 council but yea you're right. i have said this many times, we need to be way more strict to be able to be a top 10 clan. no bullshit trolls, no bullshit inactive people, no bullshit people who put WG second. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 10:08 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Reminds me of my topic to LND -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: February 21, 2010 10:20 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | yeah agreed with everything, we need some changes. --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 12:11 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | I agree, and as much as leadership says they are going to change, so far they have yet to prove anything in around a year. We're in a slump and if things don't turn around we aren't getting out of it. No matter how many topics are made, I regret to say I don't think our current leadership, at least their mindset, is going to turn this around. I hope the best for WG, and will stick through to the end, but the odds are definitely against us for as long as leadership, and clan motivation, is where it is now. There can't be any excuses about His Lordship being overseas to why this clan isn't moving forward. If Gene is that busy than he should temporarily grant another council the leadership position. I understand that the whole flash thing has kept him busy, but chasing a desperate dream that probably won't happen while the clan in the present is dying isn't the right way to handle this. I hope this doesn't create unnecessary drama, but we desperately need SOMETHING to change. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 12:40 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | Good post Brian, i don't think it should cause any drama. Though it would be nice to see a layout of plans in an IA or something that each council member wants to have done or get changed in the next few months for the better of the clan. --------------------
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Posted: February 22, 2010 02:16 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Can't say that I have not seen this type of topic before. At least you word it better than I do. I have been thinking along these lines for the past couple months now. Hopefully this topic is noticed. --------------------      | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 05:33 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | I don't like the way you all are pointing at the staff... They're doing loads atm and u don't even see that. It might start with staff but it continues with the members. The leaders can do all they want but if the members dont feel like it, well then the leaders get blamed. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 06:04 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
if one members says something. its alright but when there's repetition among members. there's definitely something wrong. this is an undeniable truth. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 06:16 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I just don't understand what we can do (we being the staff) We host the events, the pull is CRAP. This is why we lose wars and why 90% of the clan is demoralised atm. That's not the staff's fault, alone. Nor is it the fault of the members, alone. It is a combined effort that is needed and you can't carry on pointing at the staff and asking the question: "why aren't you 'fixing' WG" .... because we can't, alone. Yes - a requirement raise would be most beneficial..... although it may result in fewer applicants and therefore fewer opts....however it may also enable us to win more wars/pkris.... it is being seriously discussed as you know. Yes - we can act cruelly on those who skip events - but this is supposed to be a fun clan... a game... yeah we can't have people in WG who keep skipping, there needs to be a certain amount of dedication there, but at the end of the day, I won't endorse kicking someone for 'skipping' an event or two. But seriously - ideas on what we CAN do would be most appreciated (two of which are already listed above). ~G --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 07:19 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
You just highlighted the exact problem with this clan that I've talked with a couple of people and seemed to mostly get agreeing opinions on. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2010 07:21 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | well, we can all start with alittle bit of re-teaching. if you want pull in events you'll need to have the clan be taught about discipline since this will breed results. most of the members of the clan are great as individuals but as a team we lack most of the fundamental basics of teamwork. the req raise can be made mandatory and make sure there's no skipping corners and in so provide support to members who want to join. *a FA group* -------------------- Goals 2011 | ||
This is getting Pathetic
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