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Posted: May 14, 2008 12:49 am  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147    | ~Now Edited~ -Note- This topic contains some info you may not have seen, it's time you saw that we don't ban people for fun. Zhero06 has been premanently banned for a multitude of factors. He joined WG under a month ago, and within in his short time here there is no doubt he has had decent attendance (5 events in the last 3 weeks), and in that sense he was on the path to becoming a good, active member. However his attitude totally did not fit in with the WG ethos, WG is a community clan, it is not a powerhouse clan, we accept members be they skiller's like wind, or purely focused upon combat. Regardless of wether he says he did not want to change people, from his posts in the suggestion forum where he accused skillers of being "Selfish" is not something that any WG member should say. The biggest problem with him was his flaming attitude, we saw this early on when he flamed me for "not putting any effort into WG" (or something along those lines) and it has continued throughout his time in WG. He has flamed anyone from the members of our clan to the leadership. He has always disagreed with our raid leaders in wars, culminating in him:
Then today he began flaming a member in #wg, when I devoiced both members involved to end the argument he decided that since I hadn't devoiced him in lobby he would make some snide comments there and then leave swiftly;
At which point he left the lobby. I cannot see how any member, regardless of their combat level's could be permitted to get away with incidents like this. What makes it worse is this is at least the 4th incident I have seen with him, and from comments in lvl 3 I am not the only one having endless problems with him. I think this quote sum's him up perfectly
Be aware too that he had grounds to be banned a long time ago, I did not want to ban him because he was an active member that has allot of potential. But NO-ONE, regardless of wether they are level 100 or lvl 138 can ignore countless warnings from almost every leader that this clan has, only to continues flaming and attacking WG. I have no doubt we are infinitely better off without him. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 05:22 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | *Maffs cheers Kay I'm done --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 05:30 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | He was an active member, but his attitude needs some serious work. He won't be missed. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 06:06 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Oh well. It's a shame but he brought it all upon himself. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 06:42 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
can be found at http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...=50&#entry30784 He has been in WG for 15 days, thinks he knows how WG is and has been run, he hit alot of people with one stone. Lordy was the primary leader when the sectors around, which is below the belt. Dorcha was also one of the primary people to create the sectors and look over them. To top that off, the sectors saved WG not made it fail, and speaking as one of many people whp was here when the sectors were around i believe that this ban is a well deserved ban. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 07:28 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | I kind-of liked him. He was active and good to talk t. But WG being a power house is out of the question because one member thinks we should become one. WG has never been like that, ever. He joined WG, he should accept what we are. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 07:41 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
I'm sorry, you guys just don't get it. He was banned for flaming, disobeying leaders and so-on. He WAS NOT banned for any idea's he suggested in the suggestions forum. -------------------- Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 07:47 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | my opinion is that you didn't like him and since you're council you have the power to ban him, and you did....i'm sure that he flamed someone but we have many people like him who are still in WG because we managed to work it out. All in all you just didn't bother trying to work it out. That's my opinion. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 08:34 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 |
It wasn't just Evil. He's been having problems with many others. I don't think you're on much when he's in IRC though. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 08:45 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
I dont think you fully understand the situation.....and what the irc was like. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 09:41 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | I say Good Riddance. Every time he was in IRC, he started flaming with somebody new, that I saw at least. Even if it was right when he joined. I didn't know him very well, but first impressions are the most important ones, and he didn't make a very good first impression on me. So I say, Sayonara, nubcake. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 10:09 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: So Group: Guest Posts: 606 Member No.: 36 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 2 | I think this banning was unfair. Flaming isnt really bannable now is it? Also if he did flame I'm sure it was provoked or something , he didnt just randomly flame people did he? I hardly knew him but he made lots of points and he tried to help wg more than most members. Yeah , he always thought about combat and no skilling etc but we're a runescape clan that fights other clans. Combat is required to fight and not farming. And winning fights is always nice is it not? I also think that he was unfairly temp banned earlier when he 'flamed' evildead..come on that wasnt even a flame and it was taken out of context. Could add more to my post but its not gonna get him unbanned so cant be bothered. Disappointing. EDIT:I'm trying to defend this guy even though I got into a flame fight with him in irc , that should say something  -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 10:33 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | When I first say his posts and what not I knew he was going to be that one that was out there and to much to handle. He wants to turn a War/Community/Skills (in no particular order) into a dominant clan. Just as Evil stated we are not going to be that Top 5 dominant warring clan because we also like to focus on our skilling/community. I am actually glad to see this because his attitude really did stink at times. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 10:57 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 | Didn't think he was that bad, but it's your decision I guess -------------------- Sig? | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 11:12 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
His flaming today for exmaple was totally random, somone joined the IRC, was talking to someone else and then Zhero piped up and said "I always knew you were a dog" or something along those lines, and dont worry.... I am absolutely certian he wasn't joking. However, I dont think you realise.... he was not banned for one single reason, it was a mixture of: -Continous flaming on IRC -Flaming of FT yesterday at a war -Several disputes with Raid Leaders in war's, where he has stated quite clearly that he will only follow orders if he wants to. Do not forget that one of WG's main rules is to follow the chain of command. -His attitude towards other members of WG But most of all, as I have said before.... -He has had discussions with almost all of the WG leadership, INCLUDING Abs and Eugene and he has not changed one bit. I would be slightly more lenient if he had, through multiple warn increases, a 3 day suspension and all these discussions, changed his attitude a bit, but in all honesty I didnt see any change in what he was doing. He still flamed, he still argued, he still disobeyed the leadership. All 3 of those things have occurred during the last 2 days. Do not think I just banned him for flaming, that would be ridiculous because then I would also be banning half of WG for the same crime. By all accounts the flaming contributed towards the ban, but it was just a reflection of his inability to change even when given multiple warnings and chances to improve. And in regard to the earlier 'flaming' incident, he was nice enough to go and edit his posts as soon as he could to hide what he said. They were not a 'nice' as they look now. Regardless of that, when banning him I was looking at recent events, mainly the ones after he got suspended and talked to. -------------------- Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 11:54 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 | Even though nobody from WG got a chance to know him that well, I do think that his attitude, in general, is one that we shouldn't be quite fond of. WG isn't a warring clan. To make it straight and short, he deserved that ban. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 11:58 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
I highly doubt you were around when he made a lot of his "suggestions" Its just, he's a trial ffs. He's on a trial period. We have a right to ban those who constantly flame + disrespect a clan. -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 12:43 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | He was proud to leave his own clan (Eclipse) to die out and make fights for them to die in. Never liked the guy anyway. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 01:22 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kwaichi Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1827 Member No.: 65 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 119 | He might become an excellent guardian, if he know what he can say and what he cannot. I have meet him only on 1 event, he looked like a good guy, but he always critisize a lot when we didnt win a war, maybe if we enable him to do something with organization... but i dont think it would end good. Cya Zhero --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 01:39 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | I'm not sad at all to him go. He constantly questioned my ability to lead. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 02:13 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 |
he had discussions with other leaders? so fkn what...maby he wanted to share his suggestions with our leaders, maby in a wrong way but that doen't give you the right to ban him.. he flamed some1 at clanwars? lol...have you an idea how many ppl flame there? but i haven't seen any1 been kicked because of that. IRC..let's come to the IRC and his attitude. He's probably not the friendliest person, but take a look at mochacho or DT..they have never posted anything nice...EVER. But they're still RESPECTED (ex)members of WG. Oh and don't come with that **** about beeing rude on IRC...if you would give a **** about IRC rules you wouldn't even let Eugene in to #wg or lobby...all he's talking about is sex and the rules say: no sex talks in irc. I sometimes even quit irc because of that stupid ****. Everyday i see people flaming the **** out of each other but no1 kicks them out of WG..irc ban is ok but not kicking out of the clan. what you did to zhero is power abuse. Everything because he said you don't do enough for WG. so this is how you start your council career? gf. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 02:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zeth Group: Emeritus Posts: 1839 Member No.: 17 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 63 | I see what you mean Bam but I can see why he got banned aswell. Anyways. I didn't like him. The first thing he ever said to me was rude. Just what I think. --------------------  Joined WG - 24th of June 2007 - Never left. | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 02:52 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Alot of people didn't like him, he onlt cared about waring, i rarely saw him at events only the ways HE wanted to go to. He also insulted Skillers saying they were selfish and that 'skillers' shouldn't complain when they get cut, half of them don't. I refer back to my old post, which goes for all those who were in the sectors, This includes you Bam.
- He flamed council members - He flamed other clans - He flamed Skillers - He flamed low levels - He flamed WG members - He is selfish - He thinks WG is a power house - His Flames are unprovocked - His attitude is worse than mine and that is saying something - He thinks skillers are hopeless cases - He said that WG collapsed because of the way it was run (he's here 15 days and thinks he knows everything) when infact the sectors saved WG - He was devoiced in #wg the same as Quik, As he wasn't devoiced in lobby he made a rude remark and logged out of IRC before he could be kicked. I have been there everytime he has flamed. And to top all this off and i am not the only one to think this... He is RACIST -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 03:10 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: So Group: Guest Posts: 606 Member No.: 36 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 2 |
I'm not even bothered about him banned etc right now but you're making it look worse than it is. -He flamed evil before he was council didnt he? -Everyone flames other clans , even mr lordship. -He didnt flame skillers he just said stuff like 'if you have time to skill you have time to train combat' and probably flamed after they came up with some other excuse(or reason) not to train combat. -Same as above for low levels , he probably asked people to train(making assumptions here) and then said something out of the line when they refused. -Might be selfish idk but he did always try to help wg out fighting/wars wise. -He doesnt think WG is a powerhouse , from what I saw he just wanted wg win more fights than lose(why wouldnt he?). -His flames probably were unprovoked  -Cant say a lot about his attitude. -Dunno about the irc flaming but that happens. -Dunno about about his racism either@ I'm not saying he should be unbanned or anything , its just that you're making him look like a T!t. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 14, 2008 03:34 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | what the **** is going on? he really tried to change some things, like he was trying to figure out new war tactics.. i remember a Raid Leader posted on 1 of his ideas saying:" im working on this, im comming out with it very soon." thats over a month ago, and we havnt seen anything.. so he actualy tried to change things, and all you guys do, is flame him for his bad attitude? -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||||||
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