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Posted: August 28, 2008 03:11 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | OK one of the first actions for my return was to make the WG T-Shirt. Next on my agenda is to reduce some of these forums. I go through them and I keep thinking there's way too many. We've gone overboard. For a clan our size and activity, we don't need that many to function. Since when has WG become a corporation, sending warning appeals through forums as if the leadership were JaGeX with a warning appeal system. And why do we need to categorize suggestions into fighting, skilling, and community? We don't get overloaded with suggestions to the extent we have to sort them into different groups. I plan to delete the following forums. Fighting / Skilling / Community Suggestions - One suggestions forum is plenty. Boss Slaying Forum - Upcoming events only need one forum WG Summer Awards - Are now over Mentor Forums - We only need one. We are a family not a business. We don't need to fill out shitloads of forms and go through channels. Let's deal with things direct Warning Appeal Center - Let's just have one, alright? That's plenty. Gaming Forums - Merge PC and Console into one. They are not frequently used anyway. One forum is plenty for both categories Study Room - Its been MANY months, and there's 15 topics in there. Not needed. ___________ Summary. Deleting the excess forums makes our forums look smaller. Why is that good? Because is makes posting easier. People scan through so many forums and think "Why bother checking them all? I certainly don't check them all. Condense the forums, attract more members. That's how it goes. As usual I will give you ample time to discuss before I finalize. If you object I will keep an open mind. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:13 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Danltn Group: Guest Posts: 268 Member No.: 734 Joined: May 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | I vote for keeping the Study Room, despite inactivity. The rest I agree with. -------------------- I'm just Dan.  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Nirvanas Group: Ex-Member Posts: 334 Member No.: 240 Joined: February 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 | Can't argue with you there mate. Sound reasoning. x -------------------- Safe as fuck mate, safe as fuck | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Don't delete the study room, school is starting soon for most people if it hasn't started already and you know how bad I fail at maths. I agree with the others though. Rarely used. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:18 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Danltn Group: Guest Posts: 268 Member No.: 734 Joined: May 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | Yeah my reasoning exactly, it's been the holidays for most people, school only starts in 3 weeks for me - so there's no reason I would've posted in there already. -------------------- I'm just Dan. | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:21 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | But its been up since the start of May. May June July August Holidays are not 4 months long. Before that, we were in exam period and that forum should have exploded with topics but it didn't. 15 topics in 4 months is lame. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:34 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Sounds good. But seriously, if you think ours are bad you should have seen THE's.  If you typed it out in word we had over three pages of forums and subforums there - one per line - and over four additional pages of pinned topics by title. It was amazing. I'd post it here but I can't find the document; just know it was epic (wouldn't be anything sensitive since I was just a knight - higher ranks got even more forums).PS: Please keep the study room, make it a subforum or something. I like it.  --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:41 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | The Boss Slaying Forum: Delete it, but please can you move all the stickied topics to Level 3 - WHERE I PERSONALLY Will merge them into a topic guide (Equipment needed for each monster in one topic) kk?
Does this mean the end of Mentor Reports? --------------------    | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rai|James Group: Ex-Member Posts: 412 Member No.: 118 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Gene, I have to agree with Dan here. Though the Study Room has not been used for awhile, the fact still remains that school is/has already started up for a lot of people and that may mean more activity in it. At least give it a 1-2 Month grace period. -------------------- The Truth Is – Everyone is going to hurt you. You just have to decide who’s worth the pain.  Ex-Moderator Ex-DG Leader Ex-Council | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
My school ends in early May and starts in August. Maybe leave it open for another month to see what happens, with the condition that if we do not use the study forum we lose it? Other than the study forum, I think all the other changes are very prudent. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 03:55 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
That's a reasonable proposal. It's not like I'm in a rush to delete forums. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 04:03 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Danltn Group: Guest Posts: 268 Member No.: 734 Joined: May 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 |
My holidays were... So keep them, at least for a bit - pretty please? -------------------- I'm just Dan. | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 04:24 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Baconman81 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 244 Member No.: 1267 Joined: August 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 13 |
School is coming and I'll need help  LolBut anyway there is alot of forums  -------------------- † Proud To Be Iraqi  And Christian † ||90/99 Woodcutting  || | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 04:59 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Sounds good, just keep the study room. School just started like 4 days ago, thus the summer inactivity. xD Might wanna keep gaming forums separate as well... but that's up to you. BTW I plan on restarting SOTW soon enough as well. Don't kill that just yet. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-  W I N N I N G | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 08:31 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | Keep the study forum; ive started school again and it might be sometime that I may use them. *Sigh*on the mentor forum. I suppose your leading this clan again. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 09:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | keep the study room, even if its not used often, its good to have for when someone really needs help. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 11:02 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Sounds good. Thanks Gene  BTW, Can't the IRL forum be used for school related issues as well? That way in case the forum was deleted, people would still be able to post school related threads. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||
Posted: August 28, 2008 11:54 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | Keep study forum please, I think it's great that us family members can help each other with our real life problems (homework and otherwise  ).Brandon -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 09:33 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | What exactly are you deleting of the Warning Appeal Centre? You either delete all of it or none of it at all. To be honest, no one really cares about it right now, but when they are given a warning by staff, and they think it's not a good move, and I'm sure some of the Staff could agree that it's not the right decision to make, then that could be appealed, Staff have mistakes sometimes and do give out warnings without much justification. Trust me, it's worked really well for the warnings that have been given out, some have been declined, some have been accepted. It required Staff to vote and make an informed decision. I don't see how deleting it would make our clan forums easier to access, as it is in Level One, and could also been as an extra feature when graduating to Guardian. But yeah, as I said, You either delete all of it or none of it at all. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 04:09 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | I thought the Tri-Forums under suggestions were rather refreshing, thus leaving complaints and compliments to the main section, easier identification of the type of posts made. Although it might mean that readers will tend to skew towards choosing a particular type more than others, failing which to have had the chance to browse via the title (with some having interesting titles to start with regardless). But it does seem to help in ease, less clutter in sourcing/browse. More focus and seemed to gear up the interests (at least it seems to work that way to me). Anything more than that would be over the top. Pros and cons. I thought its nice to have them. It makes things alot focused and clear where suggestions are concerned, usually these topics can stretched to details. Just a pity it seems if it won't stay I thought. If it make more sense to prune then I guess its a nice to have but it'll just have to go back to as before. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 04:37 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
That is basically my concern with having three different suggestion forums. The topics in the sub-forums, especially the skills and community ones, will tend to get less attention than they would otherwise if they were just posted in one big forum. People simply do not like to take the time to click through three separate forums and will click on suggestions that are right there with interesting titles instead of those hidden in the sub-forums. Yes, it does make things less cluttered, but I would rather deal with clutter than have good suggestion topics go unnoticed. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 05:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 |
That is true and something that had crossed my mind as well. Although, I did ask myself would I really give the others a miss, whether or not they are specifically categorised? Chances are titles become the main pointer. We cannot guarantee all topics are read indefinitely, at some point there's bound to be screenings. Where screenings are concerned, the ease here comes into play. However, all in all, where ease and chances are involved. I suppose, I would agree with you that chances should have its edge over ease. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 06:19 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | Lol gene, you always did like keeping forums to a minimum. I still have a fairly good understanding of the ideas behind it. I have some issues though. Study forum - As people are saying, give it chance. We have lots of bright people in the clan who are happy to help, and its a fantastic addition to the community, if people can come on with schoolwork and get fast help. It does look fairly disused with not many topics, but we just need to encourage people to use it. Gaming forum - Hmm, 25 topics (15 in one 10 in the other) in 1 month isn't a small amount I'd say. Any more and you have the issues with suggestions forum where some topics get ignored. Its great if we can expand the community out into different gaming platforms. It makes it MUCH more family-like. Only argument against it probably is it distracts from RS, which is reasonable. Boss Slaying - One reason i'm probably objecting to its removal was the hard work that was put into it, it wasn't made with the toss of a hand. It seems more than just events, but a scheme in order to help people make money, and its a fantastic way of doing just that. I think there are far too many subforums within it, but still think the forum itself is a good idea. If we're doing biweekly trips for 3 Gods, it starts to clutter up the events forum and people won't be inclined to search for new events. Having its own forum helps in getting people involved as well. If its done off-beat and randomly, people may feel less inclined to join in with it. Just my personal take on it. I've always thought that its worth leaving forums up if they are bieng used, and their presence isn't overkill (or outdated). A lot of the time splitting things up into forums doesn't make it more complicated but easier. If people want to explore 1 extra forum level, its easy enough to see where to go. Anyway, its your forums and i'm not active anymore, so feel free to do what you want =p -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 08:42 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I agree with all of them except for the mentor forms. We added forms to the mentorship program to prevent trials from "fading away." Many of them just join and are never seen again. If you delete the boss slaying forum, make sure the guides and posts there are saved somewhere -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: August 29, 2008 08:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | Eugene confirmed on the IRC that no TOPICS are getting deleted, just the forum sections, BTO. Lordy, you should keep the Study Forum, because IRL>RS and even if it ISN'T being used that often, it's helpful to have when it's needed. If you don't want it to have it's own TOTAL forum on the main site, move it to the IRL Forum as a Sub-category. It would fit in there nicely. --------------------  | ||||
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