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 Rick Hamm
Posted: September 4, 2008 01:30 amTop
   
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So while i'm browsing through the forums i'm looking at a legit issue, about graduation, and nothaving a mentee because he didn't see it. But hen below it i see this

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Blow it out your ass Owen. I was in WG longer than you and they still MADE me get a mentor. So get a mentor, be menteed and stfu. 


this along with other posts has irked me. (which i have gone and found)

QUOTE (Rick Hamm)
You wouldn't know an epic moment if it smacked you along your face. You think WG vs. DOA was epic??? Dude, you haven't a clue.


While not so bad, it could be said nicer

QUOTE (Rick Hamm)
But what if I have no interest in warring at all? What if I don't like the new way with Clan Wars? Personally, it's a huge waste of my time to chase someone around a fucking wall for 3 hours. That's all CW is.


Personally, i'm not a huge fan of warring, but i still try and make it when i can. we don't have to complain and make a big deal about everything do we?

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Karl, your whole stupid post was nothing more than your attempt to piss me off, which you again, have succeeded in doing


I read the post which we was talkinga bout, and nothing in there could be taken offensively enough to "piss him off". A normal person without a temper, would have read and responded, not read and retorted.


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Personally Owen, I could care less. When have I ever been the kind of person to conform?


ok, i completely forget what owen rsn is, but htat's besides the point. If people aren't able to make changes to who they are, and how they respond to things when joining a clan/ a group of people, all they do is rock the boat, which tends to not lead to smooth sailing.


I do not think that we need a guy like this in the clan, he does not show respect when it is asked for, posts unnecesary vulgar post, and other things as the like.

I get a very negative feeling from this guy (not pyschic or whatever) and i do not think that once in the clan he would change. Ex-clan member or not, i do not think that he would make a good addtion to WG.


Sooth

And for everyone that says i have too much time on my hands...... i had a 6 hours break inbetween classes yesterday, and no homework.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 01:32 amTop
   


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That's called sarcasm.
He's not serious.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 01:43 amTop
   
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internet or not, i'm completely missing the sarcasm, and i am a very sarcastic guy.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 02:07 amTop
   
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This is too far.
Two warning levels from me personally and I will chat to him.
You could count his chances by the dozen.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 02:16 amTop
   


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Post deleted because it seemed too harsh and seems like a flame bait from me. I'm dissapointed in myself sad.gif

EDIT (again): Though if you did read it, it was true.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 02:38 amTop
   
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You obviously haven't known Rick for very long. He's the lovable asshole of WG. hash.png
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 02:44 amTop
   
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Sooth i couldnt agree more with you
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 03:16 amTop
   


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QUOTE (Colinwarrior @ September 04, 2008 02:38 am)
You obviously haven't known Rick for very long. He's the lovable asshole of WG. hash.png

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Posted: September 4, 2008 04:30 amTop
   
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if i posted every single stupid messega like you just did...50% of the clan should be banned.

and +1 to colin

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Posted: September 4, 2008 05:37 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Bambaleo @ September 04, 2008 04:30 am)
get a life sooth....you should get a hobby instead stalking other ppl and posted every bad word they say.


if i posted every single stupid messega like you just did...50% of the clan should be banned.

and +1 to colin

I have to agree with this.


If your spending so much time on just trying to discredit someone, then you really need to get out there and find something better to do.

Rick is just like that, no matter how many years pass, no matter how many more people start and continue to hate him - He will always be the same. And when whiny ass kids like you want to go through and start up on something that could easily just be left alone...well that, young one, is what starts up Inner-Clan Drama.

Simply put:

Don't like how he talks? Stop reading his flippin posts. Jesus.

Like Bamb said. ANYONE here can pick ONE name and find EVERY bad, or argumentative reply they posted and blow up stupid bullshit that won't do anyone any kind of good. You guys could easily do it to me, we could all do it to Lordy, Bamb, Jenny, Abs - I don't care what the rank, how old they are ... It's the same thing.



People around here really need to learn to grow up.


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Posted: September 4, 2008 05:51 amTop
   


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Well I don't like where this post is going so I'll check on it tomorrow, if this continues this topic will be locked. THIS IS YOUR WARNING. My opinion on the matter, yeah well Rick is an...Acquired taste I suppose? I see a little sarcasm and it's true you could dig up dirt on any member, but you all have to admit Rick flames more than the average member. He's a great asset to the clan when he wants to be, I think Sooth was just trying to help. When you see a potential problem you go check it out am I right? At least if you give a damn about your clan.

No more flame baits/flames or whatever, I can see where both sides are coming from but just keep the topic clean.




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Posted: September 4, 2008 05:55 amTop
   
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QUOTE (T Dwag @ September 04, 2008 05:51 am)
Well I don't like where this post is going so I'll check on it tomorrow, if this continues this topic will be locked. THIS IS YOUR WARNING. My opinion on the matter, yeah well Rick is an...Acquired taste I suppose? I see a little sarcasm and it's true you could dig up dirt on any member, but you all have to admit Rick flames more than the average member. He's a great asset to the clan when he wants to be, I think Sooth was just trying to help. When you see a potential problem you go check it out am I right? At least if you give a damn about your clan.

No more flame baits/flames or whatever, I can see where both sides are coming from but just keep the topic clean.




Brandon

When you see a problem you talk to a Leader about it in private, not try to blast them publicly on the Forums. It's rude and uncalled for - Just because they can't see it you think it won't bother them when they do find out?


Not trying to flame Brandon, but it's true. Yeah, Rick is harsh - And 64% of the time that's what the people in WG need. A reality check.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 06:03 amTop
   
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I'm with For Sooth on this.
Rick is causing drama and it's gonna be toned right down.
I don't want him to be someone other than himself but he's going too far and pushing too many buttons.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 07:11 amTop
   
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I have outright flamed the guy cause he pissed me off too much.
The only reason that I wouldn't like him banned atm is because lordy believes he has something valuable to offer.

Though if he continues getting members angry, I'd throw out the bad egg.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 07:15 amTop
   
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Typical Rick to be honest. I'm not sure if I'm with or against him, so I'll sit on the fence and let you guys sort it out neko2.gif
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 09:00 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ September 04, 2008 05:55 am)
QUOTE (T Dwag @ September 04, 2008 05:51 am)
Well I don't like where this post is going so I'll check on it tomorrow, if this continues this topic will be locked. THIS IS YOUR WARNING. My opinion on the matter, yeah well Rick is an...Acquired taste I suppose? I see a little sarcasm and it's true you could dig up dirt on any member, but you all have to admit Rick flames more than the average member. He's a great asset to the clan when he wants to be, I think Sooth was just trying to help. When you see a potential problem you go check it out am I right? At least if you give a damn about your clan.

No more flame baits/flames or whatever, I can see where both sides are coming from but just keep the topic clean.




Brandon

When you see a problem you talk to a Leader about it in private, not try to blast them publicly on the Forums. It's rude and uncalled for - Just because they can't see it you think it won't bother them when they do find out?


Not trying to flame Brandon, but it's true. Yeah, Rick is harsh - And 64% of the time that's what the people in WG need. A reality check.

James, just because Rick is harsh and everyone knows that he is harsh, doesn't mean he should act like it all the time.

It's partly Wg's fault, we're just building up his character for him, I hate it how a lot of people go "That's Rick, the lovable asshole of Wg" etc., it just fuels him into a loose cannon, by the time you know it, he'll be able to flame a person into leaving and getting away with it because 50% of the clan support him in whatever he does.

I agree with Eugene & For Sooth on this.

James, this is also Level One, if a Trial Guardian isn't behaving as he or she should be and if a Guardian+ has a matter with it, making a topic in this forum is what they should be doing, backing it up with evidence and support.

Frankly, to be honest, For Sooth would have gotten a lot more attention on his thread if he posted in Lvl One rather than pm'ing it privately to a Council.

It gets dealt with much faster because we'll know the opinion of others.
It looks as though Eugene's dealt with it, Rick's not an idiot, when he's spoken to, I'm sure he'll listen.

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Posted: September 4, 2008 09:29 amTop
   
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I agree, that rick was slightly out of order. But he does have something extremely helpful to give to this clan. If you actually went out of your way to have a convosation with rick, you would understand that he is an extremely funny guy.

Just someone have a word with him, and im sure he will understand. He has just got to be approached in the right way.


 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 10:30 amTop
   
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People need to lighten up on Rick. He's not always an asshole, he just doesn't make things sound better than they are. He's expressive. If he's got something to say, he'll say it the way it should be said.

I think a lot of people misunderstand his assholeness for frustration. He's upset with things and he expresses himself in a way that gets noticed. People can say they're upset with things like this:

"We'll you know, my opinion is that we shouldn't do this, but you don't have to listen to me if you don't want to."

In most cases that comment gets ignored. Why? It doesn't face the issue head on. It dodges around the issue and is going into the gray area when the person is obviously in favor of one side, but doesn't want to get in "trouble".

Sooth, I also think you're being a bit childish. Your quote which referred to Owen could have been friendly for all you know.

You've never just said, "Oh fuck you" to a friend and not really mean the abuse that comes with the word? When a friend gets something you really want you don't jokingly call them a fag, or say you hate them? Come on...get real.

"You wouldn't know an epic moment if it smacked you along your face. You think WG vs. DOA was epic??? Dude, you haven't a clue."

What in the hell is offensive about this? You haven't got a clue? Wow...

"But what if I have no interest in warring at all? What if I don't like the new way with Clan Wars? Personally, it's a huge waste of my time to chase someone around a fucking wall for 3 hours. That's all CW is."

Stating a lack of interest in CWA style warring. So fucking bad isn't it? Who's to say that he won't just suck it up when the time comes, but also wants to voice his opinions on CWA? "we don't have to complain and make a big deal about everything do we?"

"Karl, your whole stupid post was nothing more than your attempt to piss me off, which you again, have succeeded in doing "

There is the ever so slight chance that maybe they're talking in an "inside joke" kind of way where you wouldn't know what is meant to "piss him off". Does nothing ever just tick you off? You don't get upset or annoyed at things that aren't things that would normally upset or annoy people? Everybody has their annoyances, maybe you just don't know Rick's...

The drama isn't coming directly from Rick. He speaks and other people decide to react oh so enthusiastically. He says something that doesn't really go with the flow, "Oh my god, he's so offensive, he needs to be silenced."
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 10:48 amTop
   
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Many people have already posted what I feel about Rick here. He is a really great friend when you get to know him, but he won't think twice about expressing some views in harsh ways. If he feels that its the only way to get his point across, so be it.

Anyways I think Gene is going to be sorting it out, anyways.
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 11:05 amTop
   
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For Sooth,

I'd like to direct you to this link: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=5687

I suppose Owen is way out of line also? I guess this also backs up my statement about the friendliness of the comment...Rick is such a horrible person, joking around? What the hell was he thinking?
 
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Posted: September 4, 2008 11:37 amTop
   
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Ok look guys im going to say it clean and simple.

WE NEED RICK.

were too kind and to friendly in this clan. We arn't motivated to be better people. Rick kicks our ass and makes us see what we do wrong with ourselves. Were not used to that so we hate him. In the end we learn from him. If it wasn't for him bashing me 3 years ago id be an immature prick right now (or more of one). Stop taking so much offesnive to him his method may be cruel but it works if you havn't noticed.
 
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I think everyone can agree with me when I say rick is like marmalade - you either love him or hate him.

Sooth, you have good intentions raising up the points, but to go any further you need to learn the sort of person rick is. He's not like the rest, he's got a unique sense of humour and a general 'bad ass attitude', although he can be a nice guy at the same time.

If no one challenges him, there's no problem at all. I've seen him 10x nastier than you've seen him, and I've spent a long time in the past trying to get into his psycology. Inevitably, conflict is possible because he's very different to some of our newer members, both in age and mentality.

At this stage, it needs someone to talk to rick, preferably a person who knows him well, and just subtly persuade him to cool it down a bit, because some people read it differently to how he reads it. He's done nothing too serious (yet?)
 
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QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 04, 2008 06:05 am)
For Sooth,

I'd like to direct you to this link: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=5687

I suppose Owen is way out of line also? I guess this also backs up my statement about the friendliness of the comment...Rick is such a horrible person, joking around? What the hell was he thinking?

Taking that owen is Bassim, then it is a little uncalled for. But i don't know why you would post another point pointing to something that Rick wouldn't do for the clan. But then again, if he got it, i don't think he would make it any more useful, as i can picture him talking all the time, and interrupting people but whatever.

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I'm just wondering why you think the rules don't apply to you?
It seems that he has tried to get out of many things now in his application. And i know that somewhere he said he didn't want an exception for him, but really he is.


And if this is typical Rick, then i dunno....


Anyways. I'm glad that this has gone this far, it has given me some insight onto other peoples views on him.

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Posted: September 4, 2008 02:38 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (For Sooth @ September 04, 2008 03:04 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 04, 2008 06:05 am)
For Sooth,

I'd like to direct you to this link: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=5687

I suppose Owen is way out of line also? I guess this also backs up my statement about the friendliness of the comment...Rick is such a horrible person, joking around? What the hell was he thinking?

Taking that owen is Bassim, then it is a little uncalled for. But i don't know why you would post another point pointing to something that Rick wouldn't do for the clan. But then again, if he got it, i don't think he would make it any more useful, as i can picture him talking all the time, and interrupting people but whatever.

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I'm just wondering why you think the rules don't apply to you?
It seems that he has tried to get out of many things now in his application. And i know that somewhere he said he didn't want an exception for him, but really he is.


And if this is typical Rick, then i dunno....


Anyways. I'm glad that this has gone this far, it has given me some insight onto other peoples views on him.

Sooth

You obviously didn't understand why I posted that link...doesn't surprise me.
 
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