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Posted: September 4, 2008 11:38 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Matt|Multi Group: Emeritus Posts: 668 Member No.: 49 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12    | You want this can to work? Out with the double standards. Yes, so called "old school" members have been causing fights recently with the newer members. You asked us to work WITH the members instead of against them. We were asked to return and help you. Several of us have answered the call, myself included. (Well, as of this weekend) Sure, our methods might not seem to be the best, but the fact of the matter is that we are trying to do as you have asked. We're expressing our opinions. We're working WITH you. Why can you not do the same to us? You're on the verge of driving Rick, one of the oldest and most fundamental members of this clan out, simply because you either will not or cannot tolerate what he is trying to tell you. Yet it seems that while Rick may not be allowed to say what he wants to say, certain other members are. He's expressing his opinion in the best way he knows how, get over it. You want us to work with you? Fine, you need to work with us too. -------------------- Born at sea, baptized in blood your fame will never die. Your Division is one of the best if not the best division in the history of American arms -Gen George S Patton on the 45th Infantry Division  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:41 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | And this is why I love Matt...one of my oldest and dearest friends in the RS world. Honestly people, this is exactly how I feel, although Matt DOES put it better than me. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:52 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Matt is hawt. <3  --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 12:37 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | I agree with you, but how is that a Double Standard? Don't you mean being a hypocrite? Also, I think you mean newer members are causing fights with Old School. Vince for 1337 editor, k? --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 01:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Matt|Multi Group: Emeritus Posts: 668 Member No.: 49 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12 |
Double standard, meaning you can do something that we cannot even though we should both be held to the same extent of the.....law? I guess. We got in trouble for fighting with you guys, yet some of the "new school" members are about to drive rick out of the clan. -------------------- Born at sea, baptized in blood your fame will never die. Your Division is one of the best if not the best division in the history of American arms -Gen George S Patton on the 45th Infantry Division | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 10:03 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | hm, yeah. I know what you mean, and now I see where you pull Double Standard out of it.  You're very much correct sir. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 11:19 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I have yet to meet an old schooler I don't love. You guys are great. All the unique personalities fitting together to form some special bond. I can only hope that my friendships within the clan will be as strong. The newer part of the clan is great too. They just are younger. Think about what you all were like 4 to 6 years ago. That is where alot of them are at. I think Lordy may be the only one in counsel type positon that is an adult. I was telling my real life friends about the clan and I made one laugh so hard when trying to explain the group: Think of getting 80 guys of different ages all together in a really small room, they are supposed to play together, and they all love war. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 02:58 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
GENE! GET THAT ON THE BACK OF OUR SHIRTS! --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 05:19 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | Other than Rick getting some warnings he probably did not deserve, I have not seen any double standards. What I have seen is old school members being treated like trial members...because they are trial members, however they are used to being on top and so it feels like they are being treated differently. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 05:41 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 |
+ 1 Matt Old schoolers ftw always --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 10:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rai|James Group: Ex-Member Posts: 412 Member No.: 118 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | It's truth. Plain and simple truth. Can any of you truly deny this? How you ask for help, and because you do not like how a certain Member (Be it Old or New) try to drive them down, and out? Look...I don't know how many times you have to hear it, or from how many people you need to hear it from. Rick is one of the greatest people you will ever meet, all you have to do is have the courage to talk to him, and truly understand him. Half of you that say you hate him say that because of what you see on the Forums, or hear from other people. Well let me tell you from experience. I have seen, and dealt with both sides of Rick. Our fights have been on a Clan-Shaking level, yet after all of it, when I finally sucked it up and stopped acting like a baby, I met the real Rick. I apologized, he apologized (In his own personal way,) and we became great friends afterward. It's not fair...to try and shun someone because you don't know them like you know other people. To deny our help after asking for it, simply because you can't understand our reasons...that's what starts fights. That is what splits a Clan in half. P.S I <3 Matt. -------------------- The Truth Is – Everyone is going to hurt you. You just have to decide who’s worth the pain.  Ex-Moderator Ex-DG Leader Ex-Council | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 11:39 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 |
lol cuz then no one would think we were gay -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 12:39 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | I agree with stopping the double standards, at the end of the day the Wilderness Guardians is a clan, a FAMILY, yes we all have conflict and yes we sometimes don't get along but this is a Runescape clan! Just because you've been here longer doesn't mean you can boss people around, at the end of the day the Wilderness Guardians are here to protect the innocent not shun those who wish to join to make a difference. So many times have i had an old schooler speak down to me because s/he has been her longer which they think gives them the right to speak down to me. Take the rick situation for example... Yes he is old school but he is starting a fresh run within the clan, He may get on the wrong side of things at times but it's his intentions that count and i can say that his intentions are pure and strong. Think back to when you first began your new job or first joined the Wilderness Guardians, yes you were spoke down to and you earned your rank/respect not because you are below or above everyone else but because you made a difference, you were a great aspect to this clan. Double standards are seen everywhere, you get it in every job and every family, but where the Wilderness Guardians are concerned all members are treat EQUAL, all though some members think other members don't deserve this. Yes New and Old school have their fights but at the end of the day they are put aside so we can fight together. There maybe 'Me' in team, but it's the teamwork that counts, if we cannot get along then what's the point of protecting the innocent when we can't even protect ourselves? Banners were made for the old school members, this in my opinion was stupid, who cares if your old school? When i first joined the Wilderness Guardians i didn't care and still do not care who are old school members, it only means you have been here longer. Being an old school member is a privilage not a way of life. If people believe it is then they are wrong. The same goes for new school members, as the quote from batman says "It's not what you are underneath but what you do that defines you". The above quote shows everyone that people can work together to make a better place, a better family and/or a better clan, people don't care if your old or new, they only care about your personality and what YOU can do for this CLAN. In no way should old and new schoolers think "Omg im new, people are gonna speak down to me" or "Owned i'm an old schooler do as i say". That is not the way things work. We need to get along, drop the double standards, who care's if you have been here longer? who's to say you may leave the next day or next week and so on? I repeat: IT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR THIS CLAN THAT COUNT'S NOT IF YOU ARE OLD OR NEW. Work together and you will achieve whatever it is you are going for. Edit: Reading what James wrote about splitting this clan in half.... The Wilderness Guardians was once split into 4 sectors, these being: - Skills - Community - Warring - Combined
The sector's were taken away because it made such a divide within the clan... Yet what do you think the new/old school rubbish is doing? It's putting us into classes, driving a wedge between both... sooner or later one will ask for help and the other will say no thus bringing even more conflict within the clan, most people are like "Omg!! Old schoolers ftw but new schoolers ftl!" This attitude is what is driving us into groups, groups which in the end will tear us apart, Maths posted something in his leaving topic about groups on IRC such as the Aussie or GMT group, why do this if you KNOW it will divide this clan? -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 01:05 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Baconman81 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 244 Member No.: 1267 Joined: August 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 13 | I agree, all members should be treated equally.  -------------------- † Proud To Be Iraqi  And Christian † ||90/99 Woodcutting  || | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 01:08 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Thank you for agreeing  When i first joined WG i was told that all are treat Equally, but how can everyone be treat as equal's if there is a divide between both sides? How are we equal to old schoolers? when sometimes the old schoolers look down on us, myself and no doubt others look up to these people for guidance, not hinderance.I understand that there are conflict's between the old and new schoolers but this should not effect how we are treat, i accept if you treat someone bad you will be treat bad in return but for those who look up to the old schoolers, why are others dragged into it? -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 01:15 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rai|James Group: Ex-Member Posts: 412 Member No.: 118 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | I am so win. Yingyangmang quoted me. -------------------- The Truth Is – Everyone is going to hurt you. You just have to decide who’s worth the pain. Ex-Moderator Ex-DG Leader Ex-Council | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 01:34 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Your post had aspect's on which i wanted to put my points across on and what better way to do it then to quote your post and follow on from what you said  -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:05 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 |
I say we make new school banners! -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:14 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
What does that accomplish? it goes against what this post is about, Banners put you in groups.. Groups divide this clan, we know what group we are in and do not need something to tell others that we are in it. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Matt|Multi Group: Emeritus Posts: 668 Member No.: 49 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12 |
What he said. -------------------- Born at sea, baptized in blood your fame will never die. Your Division is one of the best if not the best division in the history of American arms -Gen George S Patton on the 45th Infantry Division | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:48 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Putting ourselves into groups makes us vulnerable and will break us down, we both need to unite, put aside our difference's and instead of having Old/New schoolers, become a family that each member strives for... One big group that cannot be divided, a group where everyone is one. As the saying goes "All for one and one for all!". -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:53 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | i was kidding but oh well =/ -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 02:59 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I am proud of being an old school member and I am proud of being a WG member. The banner means something to me. I fought in the first war that WG ever had. Yes it has evolved and changed to the new WG. There is nothing wrong with blending the old and the new. A newer member simply means someone new to help strenghten our bonds with each other. All Matt was trying to say is be fair. Treat everyone the same. Show the same respect to all that you want shown to yourself. It isn't that hard to get along with each other. See the bigger picture and fit into it. Find your niche. It isn't whether you skill or fight, its that we play a game together and have chosen this place to be with each other. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 05:05 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | This is ridiculous. Not pointing specifically to just because of this post. Old, new, past, present, future... all these labels attached to a fact. But a fact that does not have to define itself like categories. Question Are you all WG-ians? Yes? No? Does it REALLY make a difference, who's new, who's old, who's experienced and then scorn at who's not? What is this? I tell you what this is, its civil war. And its also self-fulfiling prophecy as well as George Washington telling the current White House (for citation purpose), you're not doing this right, when we are talking about different times, different people, different scenarios, different culture even because nothing can stay the same to a "T" forever. What do you expect? Are you being realistic? Or better still, reasonable? WHY? - WHY do we keep making all these callings saying "OLD", "NEW" - I am old school, I am new school. What about this, I'm "MIDDLE" school. Start another category? - WHY do we keep making posts about the "old" to the "new" whether implicitly or openly? What is the purpose even if its for nostalgia's pride? Haunting If history is what makes WG proud, it is the purpose of why each individual came together in the first place: ARPKing. THAT is your identity, not whether you are old or new school. The PURPOSE gels the community into a team and not each individual claiming some form of territorial rights as new, old, seasoned, ex-leaders or not. It's totally ridiculous to have been at this for more than 1-1.5 years?! And even more, counting from even my time when I was council. Times' gone, remember, learn them but don't let them HAUNT the future. That is WRONG whichever way you look at it. THE SPIRIT FIRST. NOT "I". Yes, that old tradition is gone, but not the spirit. Re-LIVE that spirit. Find ways to discover it again in this new platform. Instead of thinking "I". Or "We" (the categories of old and new, or staff and non-staff to ex-staff). Ever think about "THE"? - "The" thing that brought us here. - "The" culture that formed because the "the" that brought us here. If you all want to carry using these labels and feeling all comfortable sitting in them to identify yourselves, carry on. It's funny to even see members giving pride from a time, proud to be a WG and yet not realising what it means being a WG is not taking a belonging of an era that defines being WG but simpy being as WG regardless of which part of time. That is what it makes a WG till now (2008 etc...), since we are still talking here even though we might have hailed from 2004, aren't we? But don't be surprised, if this carries on, you can rock all you want like a rocking chair - full of movements - and not getting anywhere with it. I congratulate every topic created under the immaculate influence of a thing called "Old" and "New", being ever so SUCCESSFUL with it. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||
Posted: September 6, 2008 05:36 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rai|James Group: Ex-Member Posts: 412 Member No.: 118 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Valdyman.  -------------------- The Truth Is – Everyone is going to hurt you. You just have to decide who’s worth the pain. Ex-Moderator Ex-DG Leader Ex-Council | ||||
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