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 Parth
Posted: September 27, 2008 02:42 amTop
   
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No arguments.
He's not allowed to attend our events whether or not he is the owner of the account.
He is not allowed in our public IRC.
He is not allowed in our TS.

He is in the hall of shame. That means outcast.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 02:50 amTop
   
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Um why is that? He quit Runescape a very long time ago and gave me his account because Pazenon isn't mine anymore. I've been using him in wars since then.

I know you had a personal vendetta against him, but that doesn't mean you should stop ME from using him account to attend wars. You have every right to ban him from your TS server, your forums, your IRC. But you can't simply stop me from using his account in wars.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:04 amTop
   
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Wait, we're angry that Eugene is enforcing a Jagex rule? I need to sit down I feel dizzy...
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:29 amTop
   


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QUOTE (Pazenon @ September 26, 2008 09:50 pm)
Um why is that? He quit Runescape a very long time ago and gave me his account because Pazenon isn't mine anymore. I've been using him in wars since then.

I know you had a personal vendetta against him, but that doesn't mean you should stop ME from using him account to attend wars. You have every right to ban him from your TS server, your forums, your IRC. But you can't simply stop me from using his account in wars.

You got the account by breaking the rules. If Parth is banned, then he's banned, whether you hold the account or he does...and I personally liked him.

Save everyone the aggravation and use your own account.

And yes, he CAN stop you from using the account in wars. It would be "simply" not allowing you into clan chat when there's a war on.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:35 amTop
   
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But that's the thing. He's banned, I'm not. And I already said that I lost Pazenon. I have no other account to use at wars except Parth's.

It's a rare case if you look at the attendees of a WG war and not see someone using someone else's account, it's something that happens between us and the majority are ok with it, it doesn't harm anyone.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:38 amTop
   
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oh boy this is gunna be one heated discussion

*sits and grabs some popcorn*
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:45 amTop
   


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Ok, I think what Pazenon is trying to say is,
a name is just a name.

Now, it's who is under that name that matters.
Path32 Jani now has nothing to do with Parth23 Jani.

Account selling and scamming is against the rules, but neither has been preformed. If the account has been given righteously as a gift, than he has every right to use it. I do not know the original owner of Parth, but as long as someone trusted is using it then it's ok.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 04:25 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Pazenon @ September 26, 2008 10:35 pm)
But that's the thing. He's banned, I'm not. And I already said that I lost Pazenon. I have no other account to use at wars except Parth's.

Start training?
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Account selling and scamming is against the rules, but neither has been preformed. If the account has been given righteously as a gift, than he has every right to use it. I do not know the original owner of Parth, but as long as someone trusted is using it then it's ok.
And by who's standards?
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 05:04 amTop
   
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Isn't giving accounts to other people considered account sharing which IS against the rules?
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 05:13 amTop
   


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If Pazenon has no other account, I think it's fine that he uses Parth. It's not the person Parth in any way shape or form and Pazenon is in control of the account... He's very war active and I need him at my wars. Please let him use Parth.




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Posted: September 27, 2008 06:17 amTop
   
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QUOTE (T Dwag @ September 27, 2008 06:13 am)
If Pazenon has no other account, I think it's fine that he uses Parth. It's not the person Parth in any way shape or form and Pazenon is in control of the account... He's very war active and I need him at my wars. Please let him use Parth.




Brandon

I think more than anything, its a question of following the rules. We all want Pazenon to be here and fight with us, but at the cost of not being honest players? I don't think so...
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 08:11 amTop
   
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Most people break the rules. Get over it. I've seen numerous times when WG have let people use their accounts and not just for wars. I'd be shocked if I found that someone in WG had never broken a rule before.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 09:29 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 27, 2008 09:11 am)
Most people break the rules. Get over it. I've seen numerous times when WG have let people use their accounts and not just for wars. I'd be shocked if I found that someone in WG had never broken a rule before.

"Everybody does it. Just go with it. I've seen other people do it for things that aren't even war related *insert shock and awe here*. I would be surprised to find a law abiding member of WG."

Wasn't making a point, just paraphrasing.

Sounds like a lame argument if you ask me. Everybody does it, so it's alright? Just because "everybody" does something, doesn't make it alright.

If "everybody" started scamming people would you be singing the same tune? "Everybody" would be doing it. Sure scamming is worse than account sharing (I think so, but that is a matter of opinion) but the principle is the same.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 10:10 amTop
   
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He came onto Teamspeak for like 5 minutes the other day, had a nice little catch up and stuff, not gonna lie, i miss him.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 10:17 amTop
   
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Personally I don't give a crap about the account sharing rule (when its used short-term, or when one person has quit the game), but that's just me.

But having a name from the wall of shame at a war does make it a bit messy.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 10:32 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 27, 2008 03:11 am)
Most people break the rules. Get over it. I've seen numerous times when WG have let people use their accounts and not just for wars. I'd be shocked if I found that someone in WG had never broken a rule before.

My medical license was just revoked. Can I borrow yours? This next surgery is REALLY COOL! wink.gif
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 11:10 amTop
   
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QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 27, 2008 05:04 am)
Isn't giving accounts to other people considered account sharing which IS against the rules?

If that's the argument to be used to stop me from using Parth's account in wars, then everyone who uses an account other than his in WG's wars should be treated the same way. That would be fair, wouldn't it? And mind me, I know a couple of regular people who never use their own accounts in wars, just like me. But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.

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Start training?


And who said I'm not? I've been training my level 83 pure F2P account since I lost Pazenon, and when he meets the WG requirements I'll stop using Parth's account and start using mine. I've been talking to the council about that since Snowzak's time, so they should be aware of this situation.


 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 11:16 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Eregion2 @ September 27, 2008 05:32 am)
QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 27, 2008 03:11 am)
Most people break the rules. Get over it. I've seen numerous times when WG have let people use their accounts and not just for wars. I'd be shocked if I found that someone in WG had never broken a rule before.

My medical license was just revoked. Can I borrow yours? This next surgery is REALLY COOL! wink.gif

Mine was too. That's why they call me Hitzelsperger. wink.gif
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 12:18 pmTop
   
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Oh so that wasn't Parth that I saw a while back hash.png
I think we should just let Pazenon use Parth's old account.It's better to have one more person then 1 less whether It Is against rs rules hash.png
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 12:23 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Pazenon @ September 27, 2008 06:10 am)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 27, 2008 05:04 am)
Isn't giving accounts to other people considered account sharing which IS against the rules?

If that's the argument to be used to stop me from using Parth's account in wars, then everyone who uses an account other than his in WG's wars should be treated the same way. That would be fair, wouldn't it? And mind me, I know a couple of regular people who never use their own accounts in wars, just like me. But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.

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Start training?


And who said I'm not? I've been training my level 83 pure F2P account since I lost Pazenon, and when he meets the WG requirements I'll stop using Parth's account and start using mine. I've been talking to the council about that since Snowzak's time, so they should be aware of this situation.

I'd rather flunk a class than cheat, and I'd rather lose a war than account share.

That's just me though, I'm a hardass. sleep.gif

I forget who but I remember at least 2-3 other people in the last few years who have lost their accounts and spent months training another one to meet the clan requirements, and in the mean time did not war (I think). But if it makes a difference I think this should involve ALL account sharing as you said, not just yours.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 12:28 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Pazenon @ September 27, 2008 12:10 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 27, 2008 05:04 am)
Isn't giving accounts to other people considered account sharing which IS against the rules?

If that's the argument to be used to stop me from using Parth's account in wars, then everyone who uses an account other than his in WG's wars should be treated the same way. That would be fair, wouldn't it? And mind me, I know a couple of regular people who never use their own accounts in wars, just like me. But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.

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Start training?


And who said I'm not? I've been training my level 83 pure F2P account since I lost Pazenon, and when he meets the WG requirements I'll stop using Parth's account and start using mine. I've been talking to the council about that since Snowzak's time, so they should be aware of this situation.

Yes, they should be treated the same way. You're not being picked out. If someone else said they were using another person's account, I'd say the same thing.

I honestly couldn't help but laugh at the second portion of your argument, I'll quote it again:

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But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Sure using a high leveled account is helpful during a war. Sure I want to win every war we go into. Do I want to be a cheater? No.

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I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Condensed version:

"Winning is everything, rules are meaningless."

And by your "If it helps WG, breaking Jagex rules is alright" mantra, let's start hacking other people's accounts and then BH transfer all the money and items to our accounts.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 12:30 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (1colonel1)
Condensed version:

"Winning is everything, rules are meaningless."

And by your "If it helps WG, breaking Jagex rules is alright" mantra, let's start hacking other people's accounts and then BH transfer all the money and items to our accounts.
No way, that'd be NH! laugh.gif
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 12:37 pmTop
   
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LOL, you guys being serious?

Pazenon is a member of WG.
Pazenon uses Parth's account for wars.

If Pazenon wont be allowed to attend on that account then I will share my account with Pazenon and fucking make a rant for every person who gets on diffrent account.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 01:12 pmTop
   
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Amen Zlatan83.

Paz should be allowed to war on Parth until his new account meets the requirements. It's the same story with Gus; people such as Andrew and Dilz let him use their account til his new account gets 100 cmb.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 01:31 pmTop
   
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I'd like to direct some to this URL:

Here

I'll quote what I'm talking about specifically:

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Wilderness Guardians Rules


Obey The Runescape Rules

    * Doing so gives us a positive reputation in-game
    * You will not compromise your account or another member's account
    * JaGeX will not consider our clan a threat to the game if we follow their rules.


I know that on the page I provided the link for, there is a section of text above the first rule, here it is:

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Below are the rules and policies for WG.
You are reminded that this is just a guideline.
They set the general rules, but are not laws.
You are required to apply the rules using common sense.


Here is the URL that contains JaGeX's definition of account sharing/trading:

Here

The text I'm referring to is:

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Each account should only be used by ONE person. Account sharing is NOT allowed. You may not sell, transfer or lend your account to anyone else, or permit anyone else to use your account, and you may not accept an account that anybody else offers you.


Now, seeing as this rule is encompassed in our WG rules, we should abide by it. However taking into account that the rules aren't law (no offense to Eugene), but simply guidelines, I propose we add something to our first clan rule, something like a footnote. This would apply to the "Obey The Runescape Rules" section.

I'm thinking:

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JaGeX rules are rendered moot so long as WG benefits from their being disobeyed.


Zlat, I like and respect you.

It's just a little odd that we as a clan get more angry over people putting the "Banana Phone" song in the Important Announcements threads than the breaking of not only our clan rules, but JaGeX rules as well.
 
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