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Posted: October 14, 2008 05:08 pm  | |||||||||||||||||||
     IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6    | This only solidifies my argument that the warmongers look unfavorably on those who would rather skill. Not to mention, that we're expected to be at wars and stuff but it's not held to be true when the shoe is on the other foot. (13:01:02) <+Bam> is there a war today?= (13:01:04) <+Zlat> nop (13:01:08) <+Bam> or any other events? (13:01:24) <+Zlat> farmin run (13:01:25) <+Bam> i just want to know what i'm going to miss (13:01:27) <+Bam>  (13:01:32) <+Geofff> LL (13:02:22) <+Bam> i rather go out than attend a skilling event pffffff (13:02:36) <+Bam> tabs can post as many rants as she wants to (13:02:37) <+Zlat> xD It's YOU guys who are causing the division in the clan. There are quite a few skillers who attend your wars and trainings, yet this is what WE have to deal with when someone holds a skilling event. So why should it be mandatory that we attend a war/pkri when it's not mandatory that people make the events that are probably just as time consuming to make, as wars? One sided, don't you think? -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:10 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | Okay Rick, tell me what I did wrong and i'll give you my runescape account. Bam wanted to know what he was missing out, I told him? LETS ALL RANT WHILE WE'RE STILL HERE  --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:10 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Bam was obviously kidding This post IS the kinda post that divides the clan, I mean, there are lots of flames from people who skill sometimes about how 'gay' our run ins are, I've never seen ANY rants about these, so how comes it's 'fair' to rant about a JOKE and not rant about an actual flame. (and yeah that was said yesterday by someone I won't name  ) --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:12 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Bam was NOT kidding and don't even think about going there. You can try to justify it anyway you want, but in the end the truth is right there, clear as crystal. Zlat, do you have a guilty conscience or something? Did I point YOU out? What are you whining about this time? and I'd rather be a smartass as you so elloquently put it, than a dumbass. Nice editing out your post...coward. Does this sound like he's "kidding"? (13:03:40) <+Bam> so you say i should stay at home and play runescape instead of going out? (13:04:11) * Flippie|| has joined #wg (13:04:11) * ChanServ sets mode: +v Flippie|| (13:04:20) <+Flippie||> kimiko253 (13:04:23) <+Bam> thought so If there was a war/pkri you'd stay home though, right? Oh, Raging, you can name me, I don't mind and I stand behind what I say. It's about time you guys got to experience the way you treat and speak to us when we talk about skilling. Bam's post proves the point. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:15 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
He was going outside, that includes both warring AND skilling, and lots of people say stuff about IRL > RS all the time. You can just ask him when he comes back I suppose.
You can say that, and I'm not going to deny it, it does happen. But it's kinda unfair to say that some skillers never did that to us before as well. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:18 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | wanna know what's dividing this clan? People who whine and bitch about everything instead of taking an extra thought. It's always been the same people sticking their nose somewhere where it doesn't belong,haven't you noticed? Twizlers was right about something. DAM he was right. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:21 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Yeah he was right Zlat. I'm not a sheep. If I see something wrong, I speak about it. I'm not one of the kids you have here who follow every little thing you say as the word of God. As a matter of fact, Abs and I had a really nice conversation about quite a few things, so I AM approachable, it's just that you would rather snicker and say your snide remarks when you think nobody is paying any attention. Exactly why doesn't my nose belong Zlat? I'm a member of this clan just like you. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:30 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | And so it comes out. The general public is generally the cause for any and all problems in a society such as this. The leadership can't do anything if the ones they lead don't follow properly. It's one of many societal problems I've been looking at over the years now. Another is shown here in America with people as Rick said, called "sheep", who do whatever they are told and never question why they do what they are told to do, though in this case it is really the fault of the leaders. That isn't quite what we have here, but either way it's bad. You guys have to step up and take a personal responsibility in this clan if you ever want it to work. In more ways than one this clan is a society in itself, small as it may be, and you'll ALL need to treat it as such if you want it to succeed. Nail on the head Rick, good job. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-  W I N N I N G | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:41 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Every single time I take a stance over something I see as wrong, I get the same responses. I did NOT flame nor bait in my original post and look at the responses I got...flames and baits...well, they WERE there until they decided to edit them out, but you can see what I've had to deal with too. You know, it's not an easy thing to sit here and watch what's going on and nothing being done about it. Things are wrong, people are wrong, and situations are wrong, however, as long as it isn't affecting certain members, it's swept under the rug and ignored. I'm no fucking saint, I know that and I can accept it. Just because I choose to speak my mind and show people what's going on in an unorthodox way, it don't mean it's any less relevant, does it? -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 05:53 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Skillers look down on me also, it's not always meant to be offensive. Nor are PKRIs/wars mandatory, there's no punishment for not coming any more. I respect skillers for dedication to something I find boring beyond belief but if they like it more power to em but I don't so I'd rather war than do a skilling event. If I'm not busy, which is a lot more rare now due to various changes in my life I might attend a skilling event if there is one. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:04 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | You can't really get any more solid evidence than that... Raging, the difference is this: Bam said this:
That's not:
- this is fine. It is:
- this is not fine Skillers would rather skill (goes with the name I guess?), but GO to the wars because they're told to do so, and they comply because in many cases it's good for the clan, and I don't think anybody can deny that. The difference is that in most cases the quotes you'd find would be:
or
The sad thing is, even though those quotes imply (I underline this solely because I know someone would ignorantly overlook the implication of the quotes) the person's attendance against their personal interest, they'd still receive some sort of criticism along the lines of:
Even though they gave up their tree cutting time TO help out the clan. Rick I think you got one thing wrong though, you said:
It should be:
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Posted: October 14, 2008 06:25 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
You can't say that some people who are interested in warring/PvP don't attend skilling events though. You should also note, some people who are involved in PvP are F2P, while almost all skillers are P2P. Most skilling events in WG are P2P. As for the Bam thing, he WAS kidding, not everything said is 100% serious. Even if he WAS serious, he's not the first guy to say he dislikes skilling events, a lot of people said they dislike skilling events, and a lot of people said they dislike PvP events (In a sarcastic/flame'ish way most of the time), and there was no topic about it at all. I feel this topic is really unnecessary, it's only going to cause more drama and hate between members, I mean come on, if some guy you knew came up to you and yelled "You're a dead man", would you really think he's going to kill you, or would you think that he might be kidding (Lame joke or not, thats the only thing that came up to mind atm  ).Same case here, Bam was kidding. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:25 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | ^ LOL. /thread. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=- W I N N I N G | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:27 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
They were kidding as well. EDIT: The part I was trying to single out wasn't noticeable. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:30 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
I hate you all, this clan, Runescape, and EVERYTHING YOU SUPPORT AND STAND FOR. Just kidding. This topic and many more like it is needed to solve the problem, because there IS a problem, and ignoring it has done nothing but make it worse. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=- W I N N I N G | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:30 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
So whats the big deal? If they were joking and no one made a thread about it, no thread should be made about Bam's joke as well. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:33 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
The big deal is that when skillers decide not to attend a PvP event, and give reasons such as
It's a very serious offense. When someone does the same for a skilling event, not only is it alright (in terms of acceptance by the clan) but when scrutinized, it's labeled as a joke, or something not to really be taken seriously at all. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:43 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | You're absolutely right Colonel. This was no joke. I could see if there were smiley faces, an "lol", or something that might give someone the impression that it was intended as a joke, however, this wasn't the case and if you catch the tone in how Bam was speaking, it don't take a rocket scientist to know he was serious. This isn't only about Bam though, unfortunately, he just said something that didn't sit right with me, and I caught it. I know for a fact that there's division and Bam just happened to solidify it. I mean, seriously, look at Quick's, Raging's, and Zlat's responses whenever something like this is brought up. You could have blinders on and see what's going on. There are many other threads we can look at to solidify the point I'm trying to make here. I'll let you do some of your own research to locate them. I believe someone was working on it but that's been put on the back burner for now, I guess. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:44 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
I don't want to turn this into a skillers vs warrers topic, but Wars can't be compared to Skilling events. Wars are one of the main sources of recruitment, reputation, and community, because it uses a huge group effort to do, as it's the main judge of the strength of a clan Wars are Clan vs Clan events, Skills are mainly Clan-only events. Skilling is a source of recruitment and reputation, but it can't be described as a main source, FOR a reason. It's because it takes a small group or mostly none at all to do, and only few fansites allow advertising of skilling clans, and even those who do, they don't offer discussion forums so it's very hard to find which clan is good at skilling. This is not because of the skillers or the skilling, its because of the way RS is made, Jagex made the PvP Multi and Single, Clans mainly wish to use Multi so they can all participate and show their strengths, skills are made in a way that they can operate solo, requiring only one person to do, and in some rare cases a small group. Of course, skilling wars could be done, but there are only few places to post the results of these in most fansites, and even so, it takes a skilling war a WHOLE week or more, while wars are mostly done in 1 or 2 hours.
We are voicing our opinions on these matters, like you and many others have done before. I DO like PvP more than skilling, and I personally think wars are more important than skilling events. I'm not against skilling events existing, I'm with more warring focus. I'm sure Zlat and Joe agree with me on this. What's wrong with that? -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:50 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | ^ Regardless, if a skilling event is in place before a war event, it holds precedence. I understand that none of them are mandatory right now, but that's the simple truth. First come first serve if you will, they are all equal in the rules of the clan. This will NOT become a fight over which is better ok? -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=- W I N N I N G | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:50 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Raging, when the wildy was deleted and no more pking was introduced, what did you do? Alot of people quit RS altogether because that's all they knew or that's all they had fun doing. That's great, I don't mind that. What bothers me is now they're starting to reintroduce pvp worlds and such so we're expected to stop what we're doing (skilling) to train for wars or just another combat level...for the good of the clan. There's a difference that only a few people are realizing here. Where was the enthusiasm when there was nothing for clans to do as a unit BUT have skilling events? In their defense though Sam, the war training WAS posted before the farming event in this instance, however, Tabs was under the impression that the war training would only last an hour and moved her event to start an hour than originally posted. I don't have a problem with you guys enjoying wars/pkris more than skilling. What I'm saying is that why should we be forced to do something we don't want to do while you can do whatever you feel like? Now I know nothing is mandatory right now, but what happens when it becomes so? Even still, we skillers get way more flack for not attending a war/pkri than you guys get for not attending a skilling event. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:54 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
I'm not sure about Quick but me and Zlat are F2P, so we couldn't have attended that skilling event anyway (It was farming runs I think) I'm not with skipping events, I'm WITH attending EVERY single event out there IF people can attend, The PKRI was part of Mugger's training. That event ended when we were told that we're done. And yeah, I'm with you on stopping this before it gets to the flamy way, keep discussing if you wish guys, but please, please and please, let's not turn this into a flaming post. Edit:
I trained my skills for quite sometime but I was mainly into warring Don't stop skilling, keep up your skilling, train your combat if you can and attend wars if you have spare time, same goes for warrers, attend skilling events if you have spare time. I like warring but I'm not against skilling events, in fact I used to dislike the Wildy myself at some point, I even personally encourage attending events of any kind when people have the time (Even though I don't enjoy skilling nowadays, I personally am willing to attend if I have the time and it's on a free to play server) It's not really hard to have a mixture of both, it's only hard when people think it is. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:56 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Of course wars can't be compared to skilling events. They don't show clan "strength", or whatever that means. We don't get props for being a friendly accepting clan, we just get props for knocking people out. We need more street cred. What is clan strength? On the same token, answer this: What is being healthy? Eating right? Being mentally healthy? Socially healthy? Physically healthy? According to you, strength is warring ability. So which one is the SINGLE meaning of being healthy? Ask anyone who's taken any sort of health class and all the examples I've listed are correct. So what is clan strength? Unity. Camaraderie. Tolerance and acceptance. (please don't make me list why these are also ways of interpreting clan strength...put a little thought into it) Why exactly does EVERYTHING have to be about reputation and being known? We call ourselves a family, but all we want to do is make sure people know us? Is that what a "family" is? We "love" each other, but when someone decides something is more entertaining to them "OMFG, why don't you support the clan?" (notice it's not "support the family?"). Is this what "family" is about? Personally, I think family is about just having a good time and being with each other. Ironically, skill events do just that. Wars do as well, so it's not like those aren't a factor. But wait! It's a time factor now! Wars are easy to do, so they take precedence? If that's the rationale, I'd hate to live in that world. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:57 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | To be honest, I see nothing wrong with someone saying they would rather go out than attend a war. I certainly would not ditch my friends to go to war. I don´t think the problem is what Bam said, (afterall, he was kidding) but rather that people cannot say the same thing about missing a war without getting hailed with criticism about not being dedicated to the clan. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||
Posted: October 14, 2008 06:59 pm | |||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Type Group: Guest Posts: 223 Member No.: 686 Joined: May 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 16 | I joined WG to war, not to skill. If im online and wanting to do said skill I will attend. Thats the way the cookie crumbles with me. Respect my opinion like I respect yours. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||
Who's really dividing the clan?