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Posted: October 18, 2008 06:37 pm  | |||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132    | I've been thinking of a solution to fix the Skilling and Warring thing in a way that both sides should feel comfortable with. I've come up with this simple, yet hopefully effective, idea. Attendance requirements. We can set our attendance requirements to: 1 Raid/war + 1 skilling/community event a week. In addition to that, you have to sign up and attend the 1 important raid/war/pkri that occurs once every 3 weeks if you are online. If you have an inactivity topic, you are obviously excluded. With the way things are at the moment, it may not work, which is why I suggest this:
If you don't meet the attendance requirements for 3 weeks in a row, you get removed from WG/Placed in Emeritus if you meet the requirements. If you fail to meet attendance requirements for 2 weeks in a row, you get a warned about your inactivity in a PM (To help the 'I didn't know my activity rating was low!' excuse). Seems a bit harsh X:, I know, but it's the only way I know of to help solve the Skilling and Warring attendance problems and the Skillers vs Warrers thingy in the clan. --------------- Ideas, criticism, support, etc? PLEASE POST IF YOU READ THIS TOPIC, STATE YOUR OPINION. Hoping for atleast 50 replies personally (Remember you get a free postie too@) --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:40 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | I totally disagree with everything lol. -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:41 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Why? Please state your reasons -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:42 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | I totally agree with this. I honestly don't know what to say, but this plan sounds good. --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:45 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Don't see why this wouldn't work. The bar to the left is an attendance requirement, just a very lenient one (me having not attended an event for a week or so and nearly have it maxed). --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:46 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
It is, but it won't stop the Skilling and Warring attendance problems because its a mixture of both. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:46 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 |
That should be counted as 2 events if you havta go to both because tog is an events by itself
Thats not enough imo
Not everyone likes to host events. I hosted an event once well technically it wasn't an event because only like 4 people came, but anyways why host an event if not many people are going to come and it would be a waste of time. if everyone hosted or requested an event every time they couldn't come to an event there would be tons of events and people will just stop going. -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:51 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Attending a 5 mins event counts as attendance... that shows 5 minutes of activity per week? Thats not really active.
Can be increased, but it's just a way to help people who can't meet the activity requirements, we all know that not everyone in the clan can be a higher guardian, that means around 50% of the clan can't get emeritus.
Here's the thing, at this time, you'll get low attendance yes, but if this gets approved, you'll get more. Besides, you can't ask 4 people in the clan (Event leaders) to attend EVERY single event because they have to host it, they host the majority yes, but you have to make a little more effort yourself imo. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 06:57 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Looks good, agree  --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: October 18, 2008 07:11 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Do we have any one that is only using the TOG event to keep their activity in the clan? I see different people there when I attend myself. That would be something George would know. It is still an event that people have to make an effort to come to. I don't see a problem with the attendance being given for this event. Some busy people may use this as a quick event when they need it. Your plan ups requirement of activity from 3 events anytime in a 3 week period to a very strict 7 events spaced out. I myself don't like that. This ups my number of war requirements also. I'm against that. I like the way the attendance bar is now. If I have to go inactive for a few weeks my attendance is covered. Some weeks I can attend 6 or more events then the next week attend none.
Excellant idea. I was in WG for 7 months before promoted to higher. Some may just want to come back to do community or skills events also.
This is also for F2P. I figured it out that if each member only hosted 2 events a year we would have an average of 3 events a week that would not rely on staff to host them. I'm sure if the forum posts or screenies are a problem other members would step up and help with this.
More rules are not needed. This only puts more work on our staff. If it would come to this stict of regulations, we would need a council person just to handle attendance. Being able to review and send out notices and keep on top of it. I do not approve of this idea. The idea of putting people on Emeritus list if they have requirements may be worth reviewing further. It might be something like a private pm as staff notices less activity. It can be handled in a less formal way as needed. I'll think about better solutions and post again later. But this shows some real thoughts. Thanks. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 07:35 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
I wouldn't know, but it does help in case someone thinks of it xD But really, 5 mins for an event? Thats more of a gathering than an actual event
More strictness means more activity, certain people complain about inactivity (Both skilling and warring events), this helps, besides..only a max of 1-2 hours a week SHOULDN'T be much. People should host their own events if they have attendance problems, and if they don't play much, they can become Emeritus (if my plans about Emeritus are accepted)
Having people use common sense/common judgement instead of rules is great, but certain stuff such as this do require rules, it helps vs inactivity. If there is indeed more work to be done, then a certain usergroup called 'Attendance compilers' or something like that can be added (You know how the Mentoring system works? Its kinda like that, no official rank, just forum access) Thanks for the constructive post btw -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 07:38 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | For someone who has a rolling event count as -4, Sithofwookie, I really don't think your opinion towards shrinking the ToG + Follow on event to just one attendance is really valid, as of course you'd want simple quick attendance given your current state of event skipping. I personally, Rage, find the idea quite interesting. Hopefully the council/Robbie will pick up on a few points from here Nice suggestion. -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 07:39 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gunsnblades Group: Guest Posts: 265 Member No.: 286 Joined: February 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 22 | i think we should kill raging for this. DISAGREE TO THE MAX LOL ONLY JOKING i recon i shold start to attend more skilling events so it sounds like a good plan to get lazy fools like me to join in -------------------- 98% Of teenagers surround their minds with rap music. If you're part of the 2% that stayed with rock, put this in your signature! I fail because I try and make out like I'm 18 so I can get Adult Forum access, how cool am I? | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 07:42 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Oops sorry ignore my first post, I wasn't thinking straight  I don't really know my thoughts on the idea. It's almost forcing people to become as one, when really we should be one naturally. I don't know if I think this would stop the epic drama flow, and I'm sure sectors wouldn't. The example that came into my head is a magnet. They repel with little force on them, and the more you push them together the more it will repel. I'll edit this when I know exactly what I think. -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 07:47 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Nah people would only have to attend one of each (and an extra signup for the important pk trip/war/run in every 3 weeks). They can attend whatever they want after that one event (Skillers can attend one raid/war, and attend 4 skilling trips or so per week, warrers can attend one skilling event and 4 raids/wars or so per week) To make this more understandable, everyone helps each other one time a week while still keeping their focus on their RS interests (skilling/wars/etc) -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 08:04 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Aardvark Group: Banned Posts: 759 Member No.: 322 Joined: March 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 175 |
Most of it sounds pretty good, but not more rules... I agree with Rachelle  but I dont think we should be forced to attend so many events etc.. I have attended nearly 100 myself --------------------    | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 08:07 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
You shouldnt have a problem then, 2 events a week -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 08:34 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | My original statement
The issues with attendance, are they having members close to being kicked from the clan or is it the division of interests? Pushing me to war 4 times in 3 weeks just doesn't seem like something good. Also the way it is set up now, it evens out for the people who work or go to uni. We are able to attend more one week and less another and it still counts as our activity in the clan. Maybe take a look at the attendance bars and see how many people we have with less then 10 events. This would give a better picture of inactivity. Division of interests need to be handled more on a personal lvl. Like making an effort to do events that will include more people. Maybe inviting a person that appears to have different interests then yourself to do something in a non attendance thing to get to know them would be helpful. Most people are willing to attend events that they do not enjoy more willingly if they have a friend that they will be doing it with. I see developing friendships as more important than adding more rules for the staff to have to enforce. I'm against more rules and would like to see more close friendship. A strong community means more attendance. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 09:08 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
WG doesn't have lots of rules lol This shouldn't affect any active member, and besides, you have to understand, you'll attend 4 raids/wars every 3 weeks, but so will every warrer, they'll attend 3 skills/community events a week, so sacrifice a bit here, and gain a bit here? We have the least amount of rules, we shouldnt have many yes, but we shouldnt have none at all as well, we need relaxation in community, a bit strict (Not too strict) on activity. This makes up an excellent community imo. 1 event of the type you don't like is not much -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 10:25 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | I'll be honest on the emeritus part. Lowering the req to Guardian+ will blow the rank. Emeritus is honoured rank not just a rank that you get for quitting runescape and for acting lazy, since you don't have to do anything needed when you get emeritus. The rank is beeing abused as many emeritus daily plays runescape. in my eyes emeritus should be given for elites (seniors) only, well it used to be that way --------------------   | ||||||||||
Posted: October 18, 2008 10:41 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and i agree with Rachel on this. If your gonna bring up attendance on this topic then take it somewhere else or deal with it. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||||||||
Posted: October 19, 2008 12:12 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Stricter attendance rules aren't necessarily a bad thing; we used to have them just like everyone else and nobody complained. It's just been so long since we lost the Wilderness that we're all a bit lazy. Personally though, I'm currently inactive just trying to make it to one event a week. If it gets bumped up to two required events, I might manage to be active again sometime between March and July (and I'm not even remotely kidding). --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: October 19, 2008 12:40 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I like most of the stuff you've said, and I agree that our activity "requirements" at the moment are incredibly lenient if non existent. I think the FoG/Other event counting as one event is a good idea for the same reason you've listed - 5 minutes a week shouldn't be counted as "active." I also agree we should have more F2P events in general just to eliminate the "I'm F2P" excuse. Now, I'm TOTALLY against the idea of making Emeritus more attainable. It's not a rank that should just be handed out. Higher Guardian is a good fit for it. Guardian is basically still just the grunt level. Fresh out of the trial stage. I say this because if a member at the Guardian rank has done so much for the clan, that he or she deserves Emeritus, he or she should have been promoted already. If not, then something wasn't right and the rank hasn't been earned. Basically Emeritus is, at its lowest form the Higher Guardian rank, you can't expect that to just be handed to people. What really caught my eye was the idea to move people into the Emeritus rank if they're inactive. The rank isn't for people who don't show up for three weeks. The rank is for people who have given lots of time to the clan, and can't commit as much anymore so they HAVE to go inactive. Most things I agree with, but your ideas based on the Emeritus rank I feel are horribly wrong. --------------------   | ||||||||||
Posted: October 19, 2008 01:02 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
Agreed, but at the same time you can't find a definition of the rank anywhere on the forums (that I have access to at least). This has lead to confusion about what the rank actually is; he didn't intentionally construe the rank it's just he didn't know that wasn't already its intended purpose. -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: October 19, 2008 03:37 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
^^ What he said I just thought it's like the 'retired' usergroup that most clans have xD Anyways, Emeritus can remain the same, my major concern is the activity reqs. suggestion at the moment -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||
Skilling and Warring - blending both in
People should immediately try to host or request an event to be hosted if they have timezone problems instead of waiting for ones to be madePages: (2) [1] 2