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Posted: January 1, 2009 09:42 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75    | Well recently, we have been getting old members that have came back to WG. That's fantastic but it brings about one problem. I've been feeling, along with some others, that the people that joined have been getting special treatment. Now know that I have nothing against the people that came back to WG, more against the people that accepted them. When a recently graduated trial as myself looks at someone that got into the clan in a matter of 3 days, and also skipped the one month needed to become a mentor, it makes me question the leaders that decide this is alright. If you want to make a whitelist where returning members can be auto-accepted then fine, but doing this and kind of turning your back to the rules because you like someone and want to get him into the clan as fast as possible isn't the right thing to do as leaders. Please, don't do this more without changing the current rules. It makes people that tried hard for the clan re-look what the acceptance process really means. When responding to this topic, try to refrain from using the "deal with it" kind of posts without posting some response on why I should "deal with it." -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 09:48 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | My bad :$ --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:04 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | It's not your fault. You were just trying to be guardian as fast as possible like a lot of us. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:05 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | This brings back the memory of when Netty came back and got skills leader within a matter of weeks...  -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:09 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 |
When these things happen it gives people the thought "what's the point? A person that I've never even met before and that left the clan just beat my rank when I spent forever trying to benefit WG?" It's not the fault of the people rejoining WG because most people would do the same thing, everyone wants to be a better rank. It's the leaders responsibility to treat everyone equal and look at what a newer, less popular member feels like when this occurs. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:10 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 |
Netty was skills leader? LOL he's not that good # --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: January 1, 2009 11:13 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Yeah Netty was a skills leader... I may have accidentally had a hand in his resignation  Anyway Brian, I understand why you are upset and I respect you for handling this in a calm manner. Elias did in fact say this after Rob graduated in that short space of time:
So he did notice. As for the mentor thing I guess it's because Rob has done it before and we know he is capable of doing it, so that's why it was all speeded up. But I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you ~George --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:26 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Hobbo690 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 147 Member No.: 1497 Joined: November 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | its true and the idea of whitelist would be good as people like rob dont need to do trial again as trial is to see if you like clan and to see how active you are, people like him have proved themselves before. i see where youre coming from 30 and u are right, --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 1, 2009 11:35 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | Yeah actually I bought this up in IRC. Take a look at the intros, most of the old members have 30+ posts, while the others dont :S --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:17 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Ranma344 Group: Emeritus Posts: 759 Member No.: 78 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 |
Or Tmal getting council within A WEEK... --------------------  R.I.P. Lucy ! | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:20 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
That I think is a very foolish comment, I am sure that getting into Wg is no walk in the park, but I can also assure you that Robert (who incidentally is an Ex-Raid Leader as well as Ex-Warlord/Council) has done signifcantly more than you to 'try to benefit WG' even if he did eventually leave. I'm not denying that he perhaps graduated a little quickly, but knowing the way WG is at the moment there would be complaints about 'bias' and so on if there was a white list for members that were once in WG. I suppose there could be a situation where if they are on one of the All WG Ever memberlists they could use this in their application process? this could work as a white list in a way, it just needs to be incorporated into the application/trial process... --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:29 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | what evil said. he is ex-council, he has done alot for the clan. But still, he shouldnt be treated any more special since he left, he is just an ordinary member like you, its not like he can see secruity forums higher than you --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:52 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | deal with it I'm just kidding # Yeah, bending the rules is favouritism and can make people upset - its best to be consistent so there's no problem. If the rules accomodate it, thats ok. -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:58 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
But they left, so just because "they've done it before", doesn't mean they shouldn't have to prove themself again. A few people have just walked in an taken ranks without showing that they are worthy. Fair enough, being Ex-Warlord does show you have proven yourself in the past.. But you are forgetting, it has been a few months since he left the council, he COULD have changed, in a way that is less beneficial to WG. I'm not saying you have Rob, but I'm just using it as an example of why we should take precautions. P.S. Just to let you know, Pete/Bobster was a Higher Guardian before. He left, and came back after a matter of weeks.. Look how he changed.. EDIT: Grammar error. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 12:59 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | What I said was an example of what SOMEONE would say, not what I am saying to Robert. Therefore it's not a foolish comment. He is being treated special because he can graduate in 3 days and become a mentor in 1 day where a normal member would have to wait a month for each (approximently). -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:01 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | Stop talking about me :< -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:02 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
Ja oki, I'm sorry -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:05 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | Fixed what I meant to say in the post where I quoted Saad. A little quote placement changes everything. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | The only person I think who could ever be exempt from this is Elias. Everyone else needs to start at the bottom up, no shortcuts, no favors, work your way up the way you did the first time. There was a reason you left in the first place and you need to earn the respect of everyone else back, but then that's just my opinion. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:12 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 |
I agree. Although people may trust someone and know they will do good, to make it fair to everyone else, as well as play it safe, everyone should start from new. Either that or make the whitelist for outstanding members. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:53 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Rob made all the requirements for graduation. I can't fault him, however I can fault the system. I will be meeting with the council to revise the graduation process. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 05:43 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I agree with you entirely and I can see exactly where you are coming from and can explain my side of the story (me being someone who recently returned, and has done so in the past). I came back with the full intention of being treated the exact same way as any other person who would join WG. So far I have tried to do that and I think have done a good job for the most part from what I can tell (if you can point out how I am "abusing" my "ex member" status I would love to hear it, I value criticism). Even though the person may have held a significant rank in the past it does not mean they can walk right through when they decide to come back. I'm not going to deny that this hasn't happened to me before because it has and even though I've accepted it graciously every time there is still that part of me that knows its not right and something to be done, but there is always going to be that part of a person, I don't care who they are, that finds it difficult to turn down a position they enjoy and one of power. I can see exactly where you are coming from and me being in a similar position to that of your main point, am trying my best to make sure a topic like this won't happen again. (I'm really tired so if my points are all over the place, sorry!) -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 06:46 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 |
Possibly use that to skip time between intro and application? And maybe, MAYBE allow a shorter trial, but not 3 freaking days. How the hell did Rob get 6 events in 3 days?  HI ROB I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU!!!  -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 11:36 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | If I recall correctly. Previously if you were an ex-member and you reapplied. You would be moved instantly to Guardian. It's natural for ex members to complete trial easier. Because trial is simply an introduction to Wg and its members. As said before, Rob met all the requirement for graduation in 3 days. So he was eligible to graduate. I don't have any objections to the Mentor time period skip. The one month is so you can better understand how Wg works. You're known as a member of Wg and you can fulfill the position as a guide for someone who is in trial. Rob obviously is pretty known in the clan and he should understand what Wg is about. Favouritism and bias is something that always influences someone his decisions. If you want it or not. For this reason there are rules and regulations that everyone should abide to and even for Leader decisions. If you break these or take thme lightly then how should we trust such a leader? --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 2, 2009 01:58 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I agree that 3 days is too short. The leaders need more time than that to assess their compatibility with WG. Even though its Rob, we took a risk. -------------------- | ||||
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