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Posted: January 10, 2009 05:50 am  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113    | We only have a few members that are under the requirements of 105 f2p. And lets be honest its not that hard to get from 100-105 too. Its less then 1m exp and most of us can get that in a weekend. I want everyone's opinion on this. 79 Ludo_Slayer 104.83 80 Chimp_Guy0 104.33 81 Arctic_Rat 102.97 82 Rachellove9 102.73 83 Mojohaza1 102.13 84 Dieyou2000 101.92 85 Nirvanas_Guy 101.9 Most of you are already close This is a suggestion im just throwing it out there dont get defensive anyone.. unless its trainin then train defence yeah thats kewl # -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:51 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | No. Why would you even want this? --------------------      | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:52 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
Makes the clan stronger in return for a little work. Why don't you want this -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:53 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | I think it would be a great idea to raise requirements. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:53 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zooby Group: Guest Posts: 1669 Member No.: 1464 Joined: November 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 109 | Definatly. even though i am only level105 f2p combat myself, i can see how it make wars a lot harder when its even opts and they are 115+ clan or a 110+ clan and we are only a 100+ clan. I think it's time WG raised the bar. -------------------- A Revolution without dance is a Revolution not worth having at all Lightbulbs die my sweet, I will depart | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:54 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 | No. We've currently got some intros that are barely 100. And if you really want to raise the cmb lvl, waive that requirement for those with current intros and are planning to join WG. I still don't think you should raise it until Rachel has at least 105 cmb. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:55 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
If we were to raise the requirnments we wouldn't ever kick the members we have now that are under. Last time wg raised reqs they gave the ppl under a time limit to train and thats what tipped it over the line. All intros can still apply that are under the 105 f2p thing -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:55 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | I believe that it is stupid to raise requirements. We have a decent amount of recruits that are trying to intro/apply at 100 combat as it is, and then they have a month to attend events and gain 2 combat levels. Raising the requirements to apply is only for show and will only lower recruitment. Some of us have something called a life and don't enjoy spending every moment training, especially when they prefer to train through slayer, which isn't exactly the fastest method of training. I am on for events, I am on for wars. If you say my life hinders with my activity in WG, then something is wrong. I am more active with events and such than many of people. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 05:57 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
So your telling me spending an hour a day training is that dreadful? Honestly with all the training methods out you can train so easily and fast. And also out of the new recruits low lvled how many have we kept past graduation? I think the number is 1/6 -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:00 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Personally, I think it'd be nice, but, I don't want to just say "Yes" and leave it at that. First off, I don't just want to make Requirements 105 F2P. I would import a system like...100 F2P to get Guardian, 103 ish or something to prove activity on RS, etc. Also, they would have to be combat goal-bound, so they could hit that 105 F2P +. I'm not sure about this. It'd have to a clan decision. Also, I don't want to force a member like Rachel out of the clan because of new requirements. I would allow fair time for all these present members to get to 105. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:02 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
I don't even have an hour a day to train. My only time on RuneScape is basically with WG at events. I have a rigorous academic program that gives me a decent amount of homework every night, a girlfriend, and I need some relaxation time that is apart from straining to gain that little combat level just to make us "look better". Then I have to sleep, shower, and eat, and then I have band almost every Saturday from here on out. Life? Yeah I have one. Combat? I never enjoyed training it, and I trained at least 5 combat levels to join WG, to then have to level twice more to apply for graduation. I do what I can for WG, and not everyone else has this dedication. You will only see a lower amount of people make it past our system which people complain about even now. They ask for it to be easier and not harder. If we want to look better, we need to perform better. Increase our organization in things outside of CWA before you worry about our combat levels. It is in a much larger need than a few combat level averages. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:05 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
No one is asking to rid your entire social life. Were not asking for 120+ f2p 105+ is a very easy task. Anyone with a busy schedule can do it and i always see you on irc and on runescape so you can't possible tell me your only on for wg events. And you also do train through slayer which no one said is wrong. -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:06 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | Lefty you're over 105 ftp so it won't effect you. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:12 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
Maybe that is because I went back to school on Tuesday? I have had 4 days back to school; 4 days back into my hectic life that I had before my Christmas break. My time spent on the computer has been dramatically decreased. If you see me on RuneScape on a weekday, I am more than likely "chilling" because I do not have time to go get involved into something and I am trying to monitor something on the Grand Exchange. IRC wise? Once I log in, I do not log out, and I rarely notify when I go away from the computer to do homework or to do house work. So yes. I am commenting on my life as of this week, and for the next 17 weeks. The past is behind me, and the past was the ability to be active as much as I could be. Other than that, do not try to pull the "I see you do this" part on me, due to that no longer being true. I am 105 F2P Combat. This would not effect me one bit. However, I do not agree with it with the same amount as the latter. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:17 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | I see you in runescape more then like 4 hours a day and i thought you runecrafted a lot during game. This isn't about you btw. -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:37 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
Maybe IRC for 4 hours a day, but definitely not on RuneScape. Pay more attention to when I am on before you make a claim like that.
Also if you want my input of what you think we should do instead? Try to encourage someone to increase their combat, instead of restricting them or not allowing them. It is the idea of "forcing" them to raise their combat just so that they can make the clan, seem well... forceful in my honest opinion. Some people may train to join WG, but some people will just pass and go on to the next 100+ clan that they are looking at. You may say "Oh TBE has the requirements of 105+ too", well TBE has a junior clan. TDM has the requirements of 95+ if they recall me correctly. And them being our allies, their websites are on our forums! Right next to the introduction/application section! So yes back to my original point.. PS worked for the first two months I would say, and it was kinda ignored for the 3rd and 4th month after it was interrupted by the skill olympics. Did people get experience? Yeah! Did people level? Yeah. Creative ideas like those encourage the members of WG to train and by bringing in the lower levels, putting them in a higher level environment should encourage them to train too. Directly I do not know of a way to do something that would fit my criteria of encouraging someone to train for the clan, but saying "Well we are raising the requirements to 105+ F2P soon, so you need to get 105+ F2P as soon as possible or else we are going to blame you" or something along those lines in a nicer and seemingly sincere way, is not too much of encouraging. Training for the war was asked upon us by Elias, not enforced, nor was it mandatory, but people still tried. It was a big war for us (RAW against RT) and people got combat levels, including me. Still there is a better way to improve our combat in the long run, instead of blatantly stating for someone to train their combat level. Even if you have to somewhat hide your true meaning, which would apparently be to train combat to raise our "public image" of a higher "combat average", make it enjoyable for everyone. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 06:59 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | I would have no problems with raising the requirement, except if there is a threat of those members who currently do not meet the requirements getting kicked. In other words, no retrospective requirements, the 105 combat applies to future members, not current ones. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:00 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | I say bring back Pro Silentium or something similar to it.  --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:01 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
thats bassicly what im saying -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:06 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | Bringing up the combat requirement might not be the best thing to do, though. With all the new recruits we're getting, we need to teach them the ways of war. I've seen one of our level 120's get koed (NOT NAMING WHO). We just need to teach people how to tank effectively, and eat the food right. I found there's a good trick if you have a mixed pizza/swordfish inventory, you can eat 3 half pizzas and 1 swordfish in one turn, healing a TON of hp. tl;dr-we need experience in wars, not levels to do good. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:10 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | No. We have tried it before. WG is fine as a 100+ clan. --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:31 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Give people a month to get 110+ The ones under 110 always seem to complain about getting piled first in wars/getting piled in PvP first. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 07:58 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Agreed We have tried several times. And Failed. Then gone into a recession and had to work ALLLLL the way back up from 40 members to 70+......and it sucks doing that. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 08:47 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Kiwi and Colin remember it. Requirements were raised before several times, and not only did it piss me off, but it slowed down recruitment massively. I will shut down WG before I ever raise requirements, that is a promise. This topic is therefore redundant. I am not accepting negotiation at all. However I will justify myself. The reasons for saying no are listed below in order of importance. One WG was made as a clan for all. It pained me to keep raising requirements and cutting people out. WG got really elitist and higher levels slowly started considering themselves more important than players below the requirements on RS... and it still happens today. We see a level 50 and we go "They don't know as much about RS as us nor do they have the levels" and we discard them as inferior players, when we forget that we were level 50's once. WG is not a clan for all, but I want to accommodate as many people as possible. The 100+ requirement is the lowest they can go to ensure that we still appear as a top clan. Any lower and we'll be seen as a noob clan. Two Having tried this before, I can safely say it will harm the clan. It will require six members to train up... and in return we lose a lot of recruitment. We get a lot of recruitment from people below 105. It's a very competitive clan world and WG has 100+ reqs which are lower than the reqs for other clans, so this makes us a more feasible option for a large base of players who get put off training to meet requirements. We will lose a lot of competitiveness if we raise to 105, since there are a lot of other clans out there with 105 requirements. Another reason previous raises didn't work was because the community degraded somewhat. I have done several requirement changes in the past. 60 combat, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 105, 108. EVERY SINGLE TIME, there was a steady decline in community and morale. It's not irreversible but it changes the entire dynamic of the clan. Beyond 100, we're not an all-rounder clan any more. We're a combat based clan. Three We are validating the assumption that we will only value the lower levelled members if they train for WG. That is very wrong. Four A requirement raise is training by force and not training by encouragement. By all means recommend training, but this is being too demanding. Positive reinforcement. Reward training, but never punish for lack of training. Five This is only a minor one and is hardly worth mentioning, but it still has a small impact on my decision. It would require a re-write of at least half a dozen various documents over the forum as well as the clan website. This would consume time. Like I said, I am not scared to do work, but it IS a factor. _____________________ This stance cannot be argued, at all. I will not budge. If you want a requirement raise, overthrow me. Omar, thank you once more for trying to put your energy to WG's benefit, but you've struck another tricky spot with me. Hopefully third time lucky. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: January 10, 2009 08:53 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Hobbo690 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 147 Member No.: 1497 Joined: November 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | maybe dont raise requirements but more training defently has to be encouraged. 1)if we get more matched opts wars this will anger them and make them train. 2)also when they get piled lots in pvp and loose rune they will train --------------------  | ||||||||
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