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Posted: April 16, 2009 07:34 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Angus0000 Group: Emeritus Posts: 705 Member No.: 572 Joined: May 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 128    |
If you want change, make it happen. I've heard people harping for ages how we don't have any skilling events or no one pays attention to skillers. The thing I've seen hardly any of those people do is host events or have impromptu skilling hangouts outside of their clique. It'll be discouraging at first, but just start reaching out to everyone and have little fishing or woodcutting get-togethers. Get the PVPers involved by doing it on a PVP world, too! The fixes are easy, but it's difficult to get anyone to try them. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: April 16, 2009 09:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Ya getting anyone to come enough is hard. It is kinda embarrassing really  --------------------   | ||||
Posted: April 16, 2009 12:28 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Ex-Member Posts: 201 Member No.: 1646 Joined: January 18, 2009 Total Events Attended: 6 | I really wish people in WG were more open to scaping together as well. I've been in IRC bored probably 10 times and asked if anyone wanted to do anything in RS, and I generally get dead silence. The game is more fun when played in groups, and even if it is just 2-3 people skilling, fighting a boss, or playing a minigame together, that is better than the status quo or everyone go off to their own little corner of RS, only come out for events maybe, and meet in IRC. Plus if we get into a habit of scaping together, more people will join in, and you get activity and comraderie as a result. But it won't happen. -------------------- RSC Moderator  Originally Joined WG August 19, 2005  | ||||
Posted: April 16, 2009 02:26 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Olivier1o1 Group: Guest Posts: 208 Member No.: 1744 Joined: February 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 17 |
I tried to do that with hunting yesterday. Solo or duo pkers go and check the red chinchompas, so I geared up, got a box, and started hunting red chins. I asked all over if anyone wanted to be my partner for this, and no one showed up, even though you get more fights than in the wilderness (seriously. The rate of pkers to the red chins vs the rate of pkers in the wildy is rediculous) My first battle went well, the guy ended up having to pray the entire time against me, and eat his heart out, then teleported. The second time it was two vs one. Since it was single, and one was tbing, I thought I had somewhat of a chance. Bloody farcaster+prayer, and then d claw'd spec'd me >< He did get me. But in all seriousness, mystic/splitbark pkers are so much fun to try to kill, expecially when you can bring 4 items, and they'll attack you (ergo, I brought d sq, guthans top, whip, and veracs skirt to protect, and they still went after me) The thing with the impromt hangouts- no one, when invited, wants to come. Rawr. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 16, 2009 11:17 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Voted. I voted a seven (7) because nothing ever gets a 10. Until I joined WG, I essentially soloed RS and only interacted with a limited number of people except for Joe. When I decided to try a clan, Joe was there and I attended your public anniversary event and I was very impressed. During my introduction, a number of you stepped up and made me feel welcome. Community was what I was looking for and community I found. WG not and WG forever. I did not go higher than a seven (7) because of the skiller/war rift. Members as a category are extremely creative and member interaction with management even management with the best intentions will always be rough. The closest real world management equivalent is a movie production. The producer, director and actor, "talent" interaction is a nightmare with the only real bond being money and possibly Oscars or professional recognition. WG's bond is the community. The skiller/war rift cannot be resolved. Some of the tension could possibly be reduced by separately polling each member independently to determine their position on the issue of war as opposed to skilling. There is a definite division. As a followup if someone is not entirely opposed to warring, what do they want that would encourage them to attend war events. In my case, it would be training so that I would feel comfortable with fighting. The same goes for skilling events. There are some people that like skilling and some that absolutely hate it. The key is finding out what each individulal wants and then meeting those needs if possible. Any interaction with talented individuals will NEVER result in 100 percent satification--50 percent would likely be the best result possoble. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 16, 2009 11:28 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 | 8/10, as this is my first RS clan, I have a slender idea of what "good" attendance is, or what "good" community is. I love this place, and although I am taking a little break from Runescape, WG will always be my freakin' home. Just a few more people for attendance, and every now and then there is the occasional annoying person. But guess what!? There will always be THAT GUY and there is no way around it. You learn it, acknowledge it, and move on. It's life. --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||||
Posted: April 17, 2009 03:05 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Thought this one over for a couple of days. I'd usually put a more insightful post in, I rated it a 6 or 7, cant remember My main problem: Dedication and unity. From a leaders point of perspective, when we pull 10 people to a raid, its really discouraging. The only thing you can hope for is to kill stranglers, find a smaller team, or go hunting for certain "clans" (PH). Even for regular events, the turnout is mediocre. I'm not going to blame other people for being lazy, cause I know I've occasionally been lazy myself. Maybe its the quality of the events that discourages people, or maybe its the lack of unity and drive to work together. For example, I've seen people that REFUSE to war/raid. In contrast, there are some people such as Rachel and Mmangler, who try very hard to learn even though they're not accustomed to it. Really, it makes me proud to see people fighting hard to try to change things for the better of the clan. As a Raid Leader, one of the worst things you can hear is not a loss, or someone saying they cant come. Its hearing someone who just says no because they dont want to. This paragraph isnt a rant about skillers , but it just basically encompasses the frusteration I feel when people are defiant because they're allowed to be and the system protects them. Maybe I'm blaming members too much. I probably am, because its not all WG's fault. I will admit myself, and many other of the leaders will too probably, that we are slacking. Many of us aren't doing our job as well as we should be (I know I could do much better). Our recent slump has alot to do with leaders. I've felt like throwing in the towel countless of times, but I've promised myself to continue until I've set things right. Another thing that we claim to have the best of is community. I've been thinking alot about our community. Can we really say it's the best? Can we all truthfully say that we have the best community in the clan world? Or is it something we just hear often and have come to take it as fact? I think the mass leavings a month or two ago really showed us how fragile our community is. I remember going on IRC, and hearing dead silence for 30-60 minutes at 3:00pm EST. Its improved since then, but the only way to improve OUR community further is by getting involved. There was a time where I could proudly say that WG had the best community. But now, many of us are burned out. I know that Saads been struggling, and Randy looks likes hes going to go off one day. We need to something that we can all really get behind. Times running out, and so is our lifeline. Change needs to happen. We're only in the eye of the storm. Theres still much to come. Some of you know, I joined a P2P pvp Team recently called Ancient Fury. We have a 45ish man ML. Its relatively small, and we're not as great as other established p2p teams/clan. However, when I joined, I felt very welcome. When we found out there was a cluster at GDZ, we massed up for literally 15 minutes and pulled 20 people. Why? Its not because the clan is based around one timezone. Its not because OMG THERES A CLUSTER FR33 LOOT. Its because they WANT to be there. We can't force people to enjoy everything, but we need to make it as enjoyable as possible. We need something to rally behind on. We need to make our events as qualitative as can be and we need everyone to give their best, when it counts, together, instead of wasting it on trivial things. People need to start getting involved, instead of sitting back and doing nothing. Only then could we ever claim to have the best community of the entire clan world. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: April 17, 2009 03:11 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | ^ thats when its fun to mass TB everyone. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||
Posted: April 17, 2009 03:13 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 |
Thanks for the insight. -------------------- bto Ex-WG Warlord "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: April 17, 2009 04:12 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
Preach it brotha --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: April 17, 2009 10:29 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Big_Al_002 Group: Guardian Posts: 1102 Member No.: 1777 Joined: March 21, 2009 Total Events Attended: 25 |
totally agree. itd be so much easier to just condense it into two parts or one application and referrals -------------------- Guardian from 4/20/09 to 8/4/09, then quit. Back, Trial Guardian 6/12/11.  Proud To Have A Winddancir Original | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2009 04:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Angus0000 Group: Emeritus Posts: 705 Member No.: 572 Joined: May 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 128 |
...what? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2009 11:55 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I rated us a 7. I love everyone in the clan and have so many close friends. That part made me want to vote 10. I love coming in irc and saying hello to everyone and getting 2 or 3 pm right away and chatting with friends. Many of you support me in my own forum and encourage me with my 100 days. This is why WG IS THE BEST COMMUNITY. Skilling had always been my favorite part of being in any clan cause I'm a skiller at heart. WG crushed that in me and I've had to try to change. The constant bickering and even being told to leave by some made it not fun. But when you love your friends you learn to compromise even your own fun in a game you love to play. I hardly ever attend any skills events now and when I do I feel a guilt that is unbelievable. I feel like I should be training my combat or doing something to improve in raids and wars. This also means I play rs less cause this is just not as enjoyable to me. This is the only reason for the 7. I took off 30% for the guilt I'm given. Raiding and wars are fine with me. I don't mind coming to anything. I am slower at getting to stuff and like 10 minutes is barely enough time for me to figure out what I'm wearing, eating or even going. (Andrew is an Angel with helping me. ILU<3) Then there is TS. I absolutely hate that our TS is not the one we use for our raids. It is mostly why I am having trouble with raiding. By the time I finally even get someone to try to help me figure it out the raid is over.  People have greatly improved on their attitude towards people like me when we come along on raids. I don't hear so much grumbling about what I'm doing. I guess with attendance the way it is they are just happy I come. I have seen Spenser attacked in IRC about his decision to be on a non-war list and that just is disturbing to me. That list is here for a reason and the ones that are directing their low attendance frustrations at the non-war people need to realize it only hurts friendships and not just the person your attacking. I'm picking a few different people each week to get to know and building new friendships all the time. If everyone would do that and not just stay in cliche then we would grow in community and numbers of intros that actually stay with us. Some people are great at recruiting and others need to just make them feel welcome.  IF RICK HAMM WERE UNBANNED AND ALLOWED BACK MY NUMBER WOULD OF BEEN HIGHER!!!!!!!!!!!!! I MISS RICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!edit:spelling --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: April 21, 2009 12:36 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | I voted 9 because even to know we have some flaws with laziness of members and people not attending raids, we have an awesome community here in wg and i love you all so much Its been an awesome 3 years and 1 month and I would say I am proud to be an wilderness guardian. Guardian for life  --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 12, 2009 02:17 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | rate of an 8 the mass leavings, complaints, fights, rants. etc. its annoying and its taking its toll.... in any case, an 8 just because we have the tools to succeed its just we don't use them adequately --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||
Posted: August 9, 2009 09:12 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | i gave an 8 we are doing better but we still need to get more ppl attending with our numbers on ml we should be able to pull 40 because of the emeritus some ppl complaining about stuff that can be easly solved --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 10, 2009 04:59 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | NICE BUMP -------------------- bto Ex-WG Warlord "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
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