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Posted: May 16, 2009 11:22 pm  | |||||||
     IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12    | Eugene i would NEVER normally use this word with you, but are you STUPID? Honestly either you ARE or you are using this just to get your own way. its not the FUCKING REQ'S ITS THE FACT THAT OUR CLAN IS INACTIVE AND THAT WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO JOIN A INACTIVE CLAN THAT GETS RAPED EVERYTIME IT GOES HIGH LVL WILD AND IS FORCED TO PK LVL 30 AND BELOW. Sorry for the caps but until The council/Eugene and the RANKED members wake up and smell the shit that's bussing around here then we will never improve. Blaming req's will not make this clan good again lol, and if you think it will it's pure bullshit your speaking/thinking. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 16, 2009 11:31 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
ye and recruitment team fails!  --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 16, 2009 11:34 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 |
yup blaming it on Reqs is POOR. It really is, and im sry but until the INTERNAL problems are fixed then we will NEVER get to were we should be. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 05:58 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | We don't need sectors again. It seperates the clan. What exactly do we benefit from by splitting the clan into skilling / community / fighting ? It will play out just as it did last time: - fighting cliques - skilling cliques - skilling sector complaining constantly because they don't get enough respect - fighting sector harassing skilling sector. - the community sector turning into a bunch of people just lurking the forums and irc - constant bitterness between sectors. IT. DOESN'T. WORK. inb4AWMIGAWD --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 06:25 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | I am a strong supporter of keeping the requirements as they are. Why? Your typical "level 100" is a kid that's never warred before. Most likely, they were forced to intro from a friend in WG or they think the idea of a clan is cool. They go through the steps to get TG. Now they are in WG. Maybe with some help they'll get Teamspeak. Most likely they won't bind because "its too difficult." If they do happen to, they'll most likely get koed over and over, not that it matters because most get koed in rune anyways. A lot of these freshbloods are still "runescape fans," meaning that their primary goal is to level and progress from the standpoint of runescape. They want level X or want to have X gps. Of course it is a generalization, but more times than not it is true and you know it. They won't return, they'll get koed, they're shitty statistically, their primary focus isn't on a clan, but on the game, they're poor, and they are just prey for higher clans. We raid low wildy. With 105's, we already have enough problems. Even up to like level 110's we have problems with everyone being able to attack. 5 levels lower and we're going to have even MORE inflated options. Our options are already "fake" enough. Lordy, lowering the requirements is a desperate ploy to get more people in the clan. Of course recruitment will help the clan, but maybe recruitment isn't our issue right now. We ourselves have enough internal issues. We are inactive and there is no "flare" to help us out. With a week prep, maybe 60% of the clan will read the topic. Of that 60%, most won't make anything of it, meaning they won't even remember that war is upcoming after an hour. No one cares to sign up because they aren't willing to commit to anything in this clan. Ever wonder why we pull 20 man raids? Its because everyone is too chickenshit ti step up and pull their fucking weight in the clan. If you're telling me that 10-15 people are gone, its bullshit. They didn't do their part to prepare. Every clan can pull 60%+ EASILY. We struggle to pull 33%. Its am embarrassment. Lets get active and have a flare before we mass recruit. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 06:27 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | ^ That. Brandon -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 07:58 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
The internal problems started because of reqs. It would be stupid on the part of anyone to NOT make the link between the req raise and the decreasing recruitment. And it is simply common sense that tells us that 90% of our problems (inactivity is 90% of our problems) will be solved by recruitment. If you don't think that improving our recruitment is the way to go, you are delusional. PS - I am all for debate. I thank Glenn for his insightful post, which I am going back to re-read. Slayer has been suspended for 3 days for doing the exact opposite. I want to impress on you that I am not going to take shit like I used to. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 12:39 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
* Chimp sexes Glennfase (AKA I agree) -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 01:38 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | Quality > Quantity. I have to go to sunday school, ill post more insight when i get time to go on the comp. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 02:10 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
We do this anyway, just without titles. It will work if we just treat each other with common decency. Seriously, kick all the skillers out or give us one frikin corner in this clan to play in. WG has too many different people with too many different interests; you can't toss us all in the same pot and expect it to work. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 03:00 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sun|Sirxxxsml94 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 67 Member No.: 1796 Joined: March 26, 2009 Total Events Attended: 2 | I think that the option where FA would be 100+ and FM 105+ is the best option. --------------------     | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 03:40 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I really agree with Glenn. I think raising the requirements isn't what did this to us, but that we did this to ourselves. We were in a situation like this prior to the raise, and yes, we've only gotten worse. The problem isn't that we're not getting new people, but that the one's we've got now aren't doing anything. It's gotten to the point where if we pull 10 to any event, we're pleased. 10 people? Please. It's like slowly but surely, all the organs of this clan are being taken out, and we're becoming more and more weak. It's like we don't have the energy to do anything. I think it's because we've gotten used to the leniency of the clan. We tout things as "important" and "mandatory" but then when people don't follow, nothing happens. It's sick. @Chimp How is this the fault of the recruitment team? Just curious because I can't make that link at all. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 03:54 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Personally Chimp, you are changing your mind on the problems like I change my clothes. Once you find someone with a strong opinion, you change it and agree with them. One minute you are blaming the requirements and the recruitment team, the next you are blaming the members. Nothing against you, but it just really annoys me when people do that. Hell I have noticed myself doing that sometimes.  --------------------      | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 04:09 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=11470 Read #7. And I think it's in part their fault cause many were slacking off and the whole thing itself wasn't really organized very well. Read #7 as stated for more on my views (and Moose's ).Well said btw Dave.
When did I blame the reqs for our slump  ? I stated in one of my posts here that I don't think that reqs are our problem, I think 105+ is great. I have always thought (whether I stated it or not idk) that the inactive members was a HUGE problem, probably our biggest problem. I don't change my mind just cause someone posts, I legitametly(sp?) agree with them. No Idea where you're getting this whole thing where I'm flip flopping on things when someone influential posts.  . -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 05:18 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | For crying out loud, forget right or wrong. . . that is past, look forward. Simply say "Ok, that did not work as we had hoped and reduce the combat req!" Fini --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 05:48 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
we were all learning level 100's at some point, learning wtf a tank was and whatnot, look at us now.... --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 17, 2009 06:08 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 |
So your solution to a clan that is inactive and isn't that organized is to pump it full of level 100's who have absolutely no warring ability whatsoever? -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 02:44 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Voted, there is the possibility that recruitment is down because of the change in the people playing RS. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 05:00 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
We have the non-warring list, which has multiple people on it. Dividing us into sectors just to appease one side is stupid. We are one clan, one goal, one love(inb4bobmarley). If we ever go back to sectors my leaving post will be in that day. We don't need to weaken the clan anymore. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 06:29 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
every1 has warring ability once they learn wtf tanking is.....tbh, tankings easy, its finding the guy to kill thats hard.... -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 07:42 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 | I hear a lot of people who say they want to join WG, but can't because of the lvl req. Many of them are only one or two lvls away from 100. When you add more levels on top of that 100 mark, that not only reduces the chance the person will continue to pursue WG upon reaching (+)100, but also leaves their slot empty longer... when we need them here the most. Lvl Req should not be raised unless the clan is flourishing considerably, in my opinion.
That's the idea. Reiteration: everyone is a newb at some point in the game; you can't play without being one. People learn and grow. And one thing you can almost always count on with newbs is enthusiasm. If you can grab hold of that enthusiasm -- which we partially already have, considering the fact that they are interested in joining our clan -- you can teach them a lot. To even imply that WG doesn't accept members (that meet requirements) because they lack experience, is simply stupid. That's not the WG I know. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 08:05 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
I really don't get the sentiment that the difference between req's at 105 and req's at 100 is a big factor in the difference in experience at warring. Why would a 105 'Definitely' have more experience than a lvl 100?
Why are we worried about this? Low level raids are tedious anyway as most of the time (at least on the aus raid we always seem to run into PH or similar on the aus raid). Shouldnt we be looking towards improving for Deep Wildy raids and doing better in PKRI's (which are deep wildy as well)? Doing more CWA will also not see many/any negative effects of more lower levels (bar possibly a few more KO's). If you were to list the BIGGEST issue with WG at the moment that we could fix easily it would have to be that we do not have enough people at events, and with lower req's and more work on recruitment this is the first step in the right direction. More people at events will make people happier to turn up which will mean better morale, which will have a carryon effect to improve recruitment and hance event attendance. More members can ONLY be better for Wg. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 09:58 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | This is something the clan may go back and forth about, but we all can agree we want more activity. In my opinion, if the lvl 100 is not losing their pixel stuff will be more active just because they want to play rs. We have had an old schooler hanging in our lobby now for about 2 weeks. He was lvl 95 I believe and now I think lvl 100. He wants to come back to WG but can't yet. Will he train to lvl 105 to get back in?? I'm encouraging him and ask him about how it is going when I see him. He would have war experience. He is the reason I voted to lower the requirements. I have never been for the requirements getting raised in the first place. I do agree with Glenn about the difference it will make in the raids. In CWA, the lower requirements will change the clans that we can war against and do well at. Unfortunately, you have to make a decision whether it is best to have more members or be ranked at wars. Remember just because we have more members doesn't mean they will attend that many more events. Some coming in may only like a certain thing and only attend that. Someone said about cliques, I personally still prefer skilling and don't think I am in any kind of clique. lol Start being friendly and including people. What I absolutely hate the most is seeing someone getting torn to pieces for a simple mistake or some lame disagreement. Let's just work on changing "our social skills" so that we really are the best community we can be.
--------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 01:59 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | the fact is the trial for 105+ failed up to now. dosen't matter how it started it just didn't end well. i say we let the 100+ take this victory, shove off some dirt. and try again in the near future. who knows, we might get 100+ who believe in 105+ and that way we'll our chances of success will be raised i voted 105+ plus raise. my views are always go higher than u can. if u fail, get up try again  for all those that believe in 105+ as much as i do, you guys have vision, this is the time to hold onto it dear, treasure it. and smite all those that oppose it p.s. smite in a respectful way, don't go around flaming people --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||||
Posted: May 18, 2009 02:33 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I don't think we're in the position to be choosing what we let in. We've got the ability to weed out people during the application process, and that is where we determine what is good for the clan. We can't bicker over a measly five combat levels because they honestly don't mean that much. Sure, it's higher and it means they've got more combat experience (theoretically) but then I know a friend (in real life) who is 110+ and can't do PvP for his life. We'd let him in because he's a higher level, but hasn't got the slightest clue as to what he is doing. I mean, I'm 120 and am not the greatest tank (inb4 event leaders can't tank). I know what to do, but just can't seem to put it all together fast enough and that just comes with practice. We let in people at 100 combat, they get more practice and then we also build a relationship with that person. They learn to love WG as they grow in combat and get more experienced. We'd end up breeding a generation of WG that knows what to do. I think lowering the requirements will only do us good. We can and should be a little more careful admitting people, but let more people apply. Let's give more people a chance. -------------------- | ||||||
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