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Posted: September 7, 2009 05:09 pm  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540    | The one major problem with the spying thing is that however well we hide the fact that we do have spies, WE WILL be found out... not the spies maybe, but the fact that we HAVE spies.... we will therefore be considered NH. Our reputation will be in tatters.... --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: September 7, 2009 05:25 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
We always need help recruiting over other sites.  --------------------      | ||||||
Posted: September 7, 2009 09:45 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Your points are well taken. However, I must comment on two points. It is reasonable to have war gear but the current list has items that we use only sometimes. I think I have most of the gear and it makes a big impact on my inventory because I sometime run out of room and yes, I have cleaned my inventory. Also, WG is different from other clans because we do not use spies and I am opposed to doing so. We are different and should continue to remain different. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: September 7, 2009 09:54 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
Not being picky or anything, but honestly that made me chuckle.  We're sitting around saying how honest we're going to be about planting spies in other clans, lol. I don't like it, but I'm not going to be a major pain about it like I have been about some things in the past. Basically I've been away to long to make an informed decision, but I'm curious how this will play out. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: September 7, 2009 10:27 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | I'm tired. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 12:55 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: DyIan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1205 Member No.: 1638 Joined: January 15, 2009 Total Events Attended: 107 | I agree with the stuff said above but > Why must we be a Powerhouse Clan? It seems like there is a constant push to be like the upper p2p clans, a example is DI. WG should be a different clan that offers stuff that the top clans do not. Individuality is something to consider  --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 12:59 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Angus0000 Group: Emeritus Posts: 705 Member No.: 572 Joined: May 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 128 | I'm not sure why you made a big announcement about how we're going to spy if the entire concept is about secrecy. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 02:49 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I find myself facepalming so much more often these days. Theres mainly one argument to spying I've seen so far: Our reputation EVERYONE spies, they just dont admit it. All of the successful clans have used spies or some form of leak. I personally am all for it. Its not like we're crashing events, we're just using information we get to fight clans who are out to do the same thing we are. Its not like we're crashing wars, or hunting skilling trips, we're killing people who WANT to pk. Does spying on CCs to search for tracks during raids make us NH? Does using a scout to spy on a clan's location make us NH? NO ONE cares about clans spying. DF have spies in VR/DK and everyone knows, no one cares. RoT and DI have/had spies in each other, no one cared. TSC and RoT had spies in WG 2 years ago; no one cared. Sure they were NH, but they weren't NH cause they spied; they were NH cause they crashed wars. Spying does NOT make us NH. But we're gonna have to be super careful! If someone finds out we're using spies, that could be really bad! It would ruin our reputation! O NO  Lets be serious. Do you REALLY think that widespread, people will start calling WG NH? The only person who would ever make a big deal out of this would be Mugger with his obvious obsession. I can't believe I'm even arguing this point. Anyways I never really liked fixed raid schedules. Sure, 4:30-5:00pm EST saturday kinda became a fixed raid schedule, but I don't like telling myself I cant go out on a saturday because of a "fixed" raid. I favor prepped raids, but I dont want to lose every Saturday. Everything else looks fine, except I dont agree with jumping in F2P PvP wars right away. We need a bit of practice; waste of sets doing it right away. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 03:01 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
I don't like that quote at all. I know you don't mean it, but you are clearly implicating that WG is not successful. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 03:15 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 |
I don't really need to explain that quote, you seemed to have explained it yourself  . When I wrote that, I was not refering to WG at all. Sorry if you saw it a different way. -------------------- bto Ex-WG Warlord "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 05:09 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
Do you note something about the list of clans that you have there? They're all a who's who of the most powerful clans in PvP at the time or currently, look at DI and RoT, they just had a 9.5 to 10 hour P2P PKRI.... I'm sure I don't need to tell you that the fight destroyed the record for the longest ever P2P PKRI. They can get away with it, not because no-one cares, but because they ARE the most powerful around and the majority of clans aren't powerful enough to challenge them. What you need to recall is that those clans rely on their power to recruit and they rise & fall with the success of their warring and so on. WG relies allot more on its reputation as one of the more honourable clans around so if we were found to be spying and our reputation was in question it does become a big 'oh no'. I know you guys desire better fights and I can understand that, but this is a very short-sighted plan. WG is not even close to the stage where we can be attractive to new members because we're good in PvP, because there is allot of clans out there that are more successful than us. People join here because of our long history of being an honour clan which as I have said above, will be destroyed when they see us using methods to get better fights that aren't in line with what we have claimed to be honourable before. Short term, we might get better fights. Long Term, we will probably get allot less members once everyone finds out we're spying. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: September 8, 2009 06:46 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | It is more than reputation Kevin. It's about our morals. We're not concerned at all with how others view us. We want the satisfaction of knowing in WG we do things clean and we don't descend to dirty tactics. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 06:27 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | implementation of spies. didn't we agreed no spies? hehe  as for wg being great without you. we have to clone his lordship.  *edit* its interesting about reputation. i'm guessing having alot of haters does the trick. mainly because whenever i state i'm from WG i normally get a negative or sarcastic remark rather than a praise. lots to work for, i personally believe that if you try to make everyone else happy it won't happen. unless we're made of jewels or gold. instead of calling spy try to use a more technical term. secret intelligence or secret service. more positive to the goal of why we need to keep an eye out for those that try to do us harm. keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer  --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 07:07 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: |Jonny| Group: Ex-Member Posts: 187 Member No.: 1754 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 7 | To be quite honest, I feel that the req gear list is too costly. Sure, some of you, maybe even the majority of you, would have no problem dropping 5mil purely on gear. Many of you have said that 5mil is chump's change, or nothing. This isn't the case for everyone. The gear list shouldn't be so expensive. I can make the money, sure, but it's not such an easy task for me. I don't have the stats for GWD or Barrows, to my knowledge, nor do I have acceptable combat gear for this. After all, if I make money to buy, say a set of barrows and a whip, I wont have enough to make the money to uy the rest of the gear. I still need 5 rune sets, water runes, diamond bolts, anchovy pizzas, prayer pots, and terrorbird scrolls. I just feel like the required gear is too costly. We aren't raiding enough for me to have gotten drops that would count towards the list. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 07:14 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Try doing some 76king. It is fairly easy to build ep. You can afk it too most of time. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 08:05 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
Yes indeed Ask around for some tips, u'll get some Barrows is easy money now with the safespots --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 09:48 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 |
I've made 7mil in 2 days at barrows..its easy..no lies..just gotta have the patience. EPing is easy aswell, just stand there, go and kill drags in a pvp world...it requires concentration. So as soon as you see a white dot. TELE. = Common sense. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: September 16, 2009 10:24 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | don't think spies are good but w/e. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: September 17, 2009 07:32 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
spies aren't just good, they are awesome -------------------- Goals 2011 | ||||||
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