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Posted: September 20, 2009 01:54 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8    |
At least. For someone who's been around as long as Colin has you can't even send him a message saying 'hey dude you've been gone a while, you still with us?' or is that against the rules. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-  W I N N I N G | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 03:43 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | Edit: NOM NOM YOU'RE POST EATEN BY VEPHYSAURAS --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 05:02 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I love you colin --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 05:13 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Thanks for all the support guys. I really appreciate that some of you will at least stand up for me when I've been wronged. It shows the camaraderie and brotherhood this clan once possessed, but that's obviously gone now. For the most part, the only people sticking up for me are emeritus/ex-members/guests. Even people that I've argued with numerous times (Sum 41, Kiwi) know that at the core of it all, we still respect each other. Respect, because we were all comrades in one great clan. That's what WG used to be about. WG has changed and I no longer wish to be a part of it. It has lost the charm of being a clan by the people, for the people. No longer is everyone welcome. It has become increasingly selective and members have felt the rules tightening, becoming more strict. Fun is being squeezed out of this clan, and I pity it's members. The leadership, and Eugene in particular, need to open their eyes and look at what WG has become. Is it really what you want it to be? Are you happy with it? For many years have I fought, laughed, cried, raged, and jizzed with my brothers in arms. Fare thee well, Wilderness Guardians. Of course, I will still lurk around and generally be obnoxious. What kind of ex-member would I be if I did otherwise?  --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 05:43 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
colin, we may have out differences but you are the fucking man, no doubt, the shit.I don't fucking let my friends be fucked with in game or irl, I'll support ya no matter what bs people give ya. unless another one of my fucking posts get edited zomg. p.s- Chimp, better learn to respect those who proceeded you in wg history. p.s.s-That ps is clean. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 07:26 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | All I can say is this is a fucking shame. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 08:06 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | I think Colin has a right to be angry. How much he's done for this clan in the past to bring to where it is right now doesn't account for nothing? It's also a bit natural to forget if no one has reminded him, Mentors are supposed to keep track of whether Mentees are planning to Graduate. There also should be some sort of 1 week warning through pm on the forums. Like "You have one week left to Graduate or you'll be kicked", I'm sure as hell Colin would have checked his inbox since I'm sure he presses the WG button as much as I do per day. If Colin had no warning, then him being angry is natural. You may it call it being biased, but you simply cannot ignore Colin's past experience in WG. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 08:23 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
Become a guest. It's what all the cool people are doing nowadays. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 03:27 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
but i heard guests have the aids, i dont think he wants the aids from u rene but yea, what Abs and Colin just said. If you guys can't stick up for one of your own over something this trivial, it just isn't worth it anymore. This used to be a clan of community and friendship, and it's becoming very clear that those days are over. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=- W I N N I N G | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 03:46 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I guess our golden age existed only in our own hearts. I feel for the present day WG who never got a chance to experience it. It is like Camelot that was lost. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 07:05 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
true story. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 20, 2009 09:06 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Colin: Have you talked to Eugene or any of the council members about this? I would specifically ask Gene if Kiwi's word is correct about "old school" members automatically joining as a guardian, or whatever the agreement was. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 12:34 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Sum41xx Group: Emeritus Posts: 630 Member No.: 102 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 |
Very true. I can see both sides of the story. Colin's side: He's been here a long time (3 years). He's definitely given his fair share of commitment towards WG. Thus, accepting him as a member should be expected. It's a clan, it's not school, there should be some leniency here. Not only does it sound ridiculous to him but to others that can relate (or at least put themselves in his shoes) Those Opposing Colin: He should be treated like everyone else and should follow the rules. If he can't then too bad. I understand these two sides. And also where they are all coming from. Unfortunately even sympathizing with those who see that he deserves this. He doesn't. My argument for this is not specifically directed at the fact that Colin deserve this. No. My argument is at the fact that members of an online clan, community, family, whatever you want to refer to WG as. As part of this, people should be welcomed the minute they enter. I don't know the reason behind kicking members that don't attend graduation. This is not university or college. This clan in my mind resembles a political/governing organization. And the fact is that it shouldn't. I don't want to sound like an old timer preaching you guys on "the oh so good old days" blah blah blah. I'm not. I'm just saying that WG should loosen its belt and make some tweaks on this ridiculous system of "graduation". It's an honor to join WG. But lets not make it a stress. Because I (and I know for FACT, that Eugene does also) use this community as an escape from reality. This is my home away from home. And when you start laying down crap like this, it just causes the clan to lose its charm that pulls me towards it. The reason for my argument is not to go against the newer members on being fair regarding this issue, or completely to side with Colin. My argument is towards making this clan more appreciative of ALL its members as well as more understanding. These rules just complicate the clan for nothing. --------------------   Proud WG member since December 2003 | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 06:25 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | See, all I see at the minute, is ex-members and emeritus. So im going to stand up for the decision the council made. Lets be fair, colin, you were dead weight on the member list. What the hell is the point, in someone sitting on the member list, that cannont attend events and wars. It makes us look alot bigger than we actually are. At the minute, we have an accurate activity memberlist, that shows a realistic amount of people, across all timezones. I for one, are sick of organising an event/raid/war....and getting 15 people turn up, of a 75 person memberlist. Thats like...20% of our memberlist turning up. Sounds bad 'eh? Whereas when it says 57...26% (rounded down)...not as bad, 1/4 or 1/5...I know if I was a fat man, I would want a 1/4 of the pie, than 1/5. Colin, if you wanted to rejoin, to leech of everyone else. Then you should have said, instead of pretending that you were active again. Then, maybe you application, would have been looked differently at. When you rejoined, you agree'd on following the rules of WG. One of the rules clearly states, you have 1 month to graduate. Whats the point in rules, if not everyone follows them and gets away with it? --------------------    | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 06:28 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Quote colin: "no one does their job in this shitty clan" ... that's flaming... anyway as Darth said your inactivity was inexcusable. When you join WG you promise to be active and you broke this promise, so were removed. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 07:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Thanks George and Lee for proving my point about what this clan has become. Who the fuck cares about activity percentage, a 100% accurate memberlist, etc etc...? WG used to be about fun, friendship, companionship, camaraderie and well...you get the picture. And as you can see, the emeritus and ex-members can attest to this. Of course this is all besides the point that I actually DID attend events(for which I never received attendance points) and was active on the forums every single day. I notice that you both have failed to address that point. WG has become a clan for people that sit on the computer 24/7 and do nothing else with their lives. Who cares about personality and friendship? All that matters is how many events you can attend. FUN FACT: Lee mention that organizing wars is difficult with an inaccurate memberlist. Exactly how many real wars have we had in the last 6 months? 3 or 4? You guys aren't making a strong case for yourselves. "dead weight on the memberlist"...that's the thanks I get for 3 and a half years of loyalty and friendship. I mean holy shit...not even emeritus...I got fucking GUEST before I complained and somebody gave me ex-member. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 07:56 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | To be honest no one has really proven a good point here toward demoting him. All the arguements have been invalidated by good points. Using words like leaching and dead weight are so abstract and dehumanizing. I think it is a disgusting use of language. If you wanted to remove someone maybe you should be more diplomatic. I don't see how the dead wait is dragging down wars. There is no factual evidence here besides presumption to cause and effect in the most loose definition. I guess my main point is that does it matter if he is Emeritus or ex-member? Can you prove he is dead wait? Is he leaching and dragging us down as a unit? Or maybe unit of Emeritus as a whole? Where do we draw the line between being friends and business partners? If it is just a number why not create a seperate ML and uncomplicate the issue. Take out the numbers instead of taking out the people from the issue. I would like to add even though you're claims are valid Colin, you are doing a bad job of defending yourself. Stop insulting members, all the counsels points are invalid if you lose the attitude. Apologize for insulting the clan. We can work out attendance, I know you're active. Having a bad attitude won't get you're emeritus back. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 08:33 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Vephy, thank you for being diplomatic about the situation. I apologize for any insults. Surely you can understand that I am a bit pissed off by this whole situation. I'm sorry for the attitude. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 03:56 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 |
What you gotta remember colin, is that I have been here a fair old while myself.... and colin, got screenies of the events you attended? as you need them for your graduation. So im guessing you do... I think you will find..we have had 2 wars, in 2 weeks..you just failed to attend..What your failing to understand, is that we will not grow, and again become the WG we once were, wiht 70 people on a memberlist, with 10 people attending a raid. That doesnt look good for recruitment, and get us back to pulling 30 people to a no prepper. and like 70-80 people, with a week prep. Like back when you first joined. Im not trying to turn us into a powerhouse, im trying to get us back to our, former glory. Back being on top, fighting the big guys. I want clans to go 'did you see the demolition of VR by WG on saturday, was sheeer epic. Best fight, we have watched in years'... and clans to go..'SHIT WG are out, SHARKBREW' Im with the council on this 100%...im not questioning you dedication in the past, but I dont want ex members rejoining and thinking 'oh im oldschool WG, I killed 12 people in 2001 and I want super treatment'. Have you seen who else got removed from the MemberList? Scarface...(WG legend), Philapeeno(another legend). So your not the only one colin... Emeritus is for people who achieved higher guardian, in the current time here....Which you failed to even graduate.... -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 04:40 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | tl;dr ll kk? --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 05:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
neither of them had been wg for what? 3+ years, not to mention scar left on bad terms(and had an annoying as fuck voice.) -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 05:56 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 |
First time he did yea, but not this time, and he actually hit puberty. But still, each of them have served WG in the past, in different ways.... -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 06:29 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | You're missing the point. Babyface an Philapeenor didn't do a single thing after rejoining. They had like a combined total of 5 posts. I AM ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT ACTIVE. That's the whole point. I mean I think I at least deserve the emeritus rank. I've had it before. I actually went from guardian -> emeritus and then to elite guardian when I became active again. I don't understand why I can't at least have emeritus. I'm probably more active than any of the current emeritus. (no offense guys, I love you all) And yes, I have a couple screenshots of events I attended since rejoining, but not a lot. Eugene: I know this thread has become a long read, but it really is worth reading if you have the time. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 06:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
hey bitch, i post a lot too. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 21, 2009 06:39 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Yeah, some of you emeritus troll the forums a lot. =P -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
WTF?
But if he was guest'ed in the inactivity sweep then shouldn't he have gotten some kind of forewarning if he was a Trial guardian at that point?