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Posted: November 24, 2009 12:32 pm  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305    |
It's not that I don't support you. I just don't see it working in WG. I know we get it all hype up that we are a war clan, but we are a community clan at the heart of things. We don't do what war clans do because we are different then they are. Simply changing a rule doesn't change the way that WG is at the heart of things. Let me play the devil on a different issue for example. Let's say that someone doesn't like to do any range at wars. We put a new rule in that everyone has to do range. The person will try it and lose 10 sets of rune. They either go emeritus or go inactive hoping the rule gets changed. That is how I see it going. It isn't perfect. Having more people in WG is the better plan. I agree that going to wars/raids is most important to the growth of the clan, but it alone will not keep the clan a happy place. You have to have balance. Come up with a better idea. Punishment and forcing doesn't work. Sometimes it even has the opposite effect on people. If some people get forced to do things then they retaliate or become stubborn (being inactive or refusing to go to events). There has to be a way to get everyone to want to come to events/wars/raids. Inspire them with something that is positive rather than trying to force them. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: November 25, 2009 04:57 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
It's all about weeding out the men from the boys. And yeah, we're different from other clans, but not all things about other clans are bad. If we stress attendance, and start getting more wins, then the people will come. If people really want to leave because they're to bitchy to sign up or lose rune, then good I could really care less for them. I'm just telling people to sign up, it's really not that hard. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: November 25, 2009 10:12 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | I believe encouraging people to come as opposed to negative reinforcement. People are not necessarily inactive because they do not sign up for wars and raids. They may just may not like raiding and wars as much as others. It might help to provide training and I do not mean having a bunch of people who are combat savy come to an event and show off. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: November 25, 2009 11:00 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | How about this. Why not initiate a quota of raids to be attended in a specific time period with a mandatory sign up and reasonable a show up for wars? You could adjust the raid quota based on the time of year, i.e. summer, typical examination times. You could award two attendance points for raids as an inducement. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: November 26, 2009 12:07 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Furia Group: Guest Posts: 55 Member No.: 2108 Joined: October 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 10 | The proposal makes sense. Mandatory signups make perfect sense. Honestly, I don't know enough about the community to be able to say what effect this policy would have. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: November 26, 2009 12:57 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | Yeah i like this idea, all it is is signing up, simply stating whether you can attend or not, within 3+ days. Is that too hard? --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2010 08:01 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Bump, this is more important now than ever I believe. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2010 09:13 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | I say enough of the warnings. Forum warnings mean nothing without any evidence of you willing to take it farther should they persist. Signing up as yes twice and not bothering to show up deserves a kick imo. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2010 09:22 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I would agree but I have to compromise a bit for the hippies. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2010 09:27 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Agree, signups are crap these days. When there's no commitment, there's no magical solution to "inspire" people to have any: either they have it and they stay, or they don't and they go. It shouldn't be up to the leadership to make people give a shit - if people don't give a shit, then why are they here. PS: Oh and it's about time that the active people should be considered more valuable for the community then the less active, that's just common sense. A person who comes to one event out of ten is worth a tenth of say, Joe. With the implication that the active people do represent the clan more accurately than the 50 odd emeritus & semi-active people like me. So actually hear them, or they'll be off. Snowball effect about to begin if nothing is done. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Kicking inactives that barely show up is sounding better and better. Its the same people at every event, not just wars/raids. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New Warn System for Sign-Ups
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