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 Changes to gear requirements
 
Sxe Asher
Posted: December 15, 2009 12:56 amTop
   


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QUOTE   Mmangler @ December 14, 2009 07:48 pm)

I think mages are necessary. If more people mage, it makes it easier on everyone. They cannot target everyone. If only a few mage, those few become an immediate target.

The problem is not everyone has the actual levels to be successful. Sure 82 is required to actually be helpful, but you probably need 90+ to be really effectice in wars.

Also, I just thought of this but I'm sure I'm not the first:

We could have a couple mages who's job it is is to "Vengeance Other", as well as "Heal Group". These spells are really effectice and helpful, but for some reason I never see them used in PKRI or Wars
 
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Jayson
Posted: December 15, 2009 01:24 amTop
   
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QUOTE   WG_Keanu @ December 15, 2009 06:24 am)

QUOTE   Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless
 
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Posted: December 15, 2009 01:32 amTop
   
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QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 14, 2009 08:24 pm)

QUOTE   WG_Keanu
December 15, 2009 06:24 am

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless

+1

Have fun getting anything accomplished pure meleeing P2P.

It isn't our fault if you get barraged and chinned to shit.
 
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WG_Keanu
Posted: December 15, 2009 01:41 amTop
   
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QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 15, 2009 02:24 am)

QUOTE   WG_Keanu
December 15, 2009 06:24 am

               
             
QUOTE  Sxe Asher
December 14, 2009 09:00 pm

I think this clan needs required gear sets but maybe under these rules:

If you have 80+ Ranged you need Range sets
If you have 82+ Mage you need Mage sets (does not include Binds)
Everyone needs Melee sets, Bind sets (Rune, Robes, Staff).

That should solve the problems because if you are below the range and mage requirement, you won't be that useful as either.

^ FUCKING GOOD IDEA. I support this 100%.

(This is because my mage and range are both 55)

Really, the only thing I'll be doing much else of besides meleeing is binding, so yeah, do this.

go train.

if all you are going to do is melee, you are useless

Meleeing and binding. If WG required everyone to hybrid we would have a level requirement for Mage and Range. As we don't, I will be focusing on stocking up on gear for the moment, that seems to be the priority.

And don't worry, I won't be complaining anyway smile.gif
 
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Posted: December 15, 2009 02:35 amTop
   


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 1000 rune sets does no good if you lack mages.
 
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Jayson
Posted: December 15, 2009 03:23 amTop
   
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 joe, maybe we should also change the runes req, i dont see why we need 1k bind runes at any time, i dont think anyone binds enough to use 1k binds in one PKRI let alone 1 weekend
 
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Sxe Asher
Posted: December 15, 2009 04:01 amTop
   


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QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 14, 2009 10:23 pm)

joe, maybe we should also change the runes req, i dont see why we need 1k bind runes at any time, i dont think anyone binds enough to use 1k binds in one PKRI let alone 1 weekend

I think someone said you should bring 50-100 bind casts per trip. so 1k binds is around 5-10 wars/PKRI and since we often do returns, you can probably use it up in a weekend if we had 2 F2P wars/PKRI in a week...
 
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WG_Keanu
Posted: December 15, 2009 10:37 amTop
   
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 Ok, my suggestion on gear:

Style – Priority – Requirements

F2P Basic – Required – 100+ F2P Combat (40+ Att/Str/Def, 20+ Mage)
25x Team-9 Cape
10x Strength Potion (4)
500x Swordfish
200x Anchovy Pizza
Recommended: Stronghold of Player Security boots
Recommended: Explorer’s Ring (3)
Recommended: Charged Druidic Mage Set

F2P Melee/Binds – Required – Above
10x Rune Armour Set (Legs/Skirt & Kite/charged Berserker interchangeable)
10x Green Dragonhide Vambraces (charged Gauntlets interchangeable)
10x Leather Gloves & Boots
10x Amulet of Power (Strength interchangeable)
10x Wizard Hat
10x Wizard Robe Top
10x Leather chaps (Monk robe bottom interchangeable)
1000x Nature Rune
3000x Water Rune
3000x Earth Rune
Recommended: 10x Green Dragonhide Body
Recommended: 10x Staff of (Air/Water/Earth/Fire)

F2P Hybrid – Optional – Above, 60+ Magic or 60+ Range
10x Staff of Fire
10x Anti-Dragon shield
4000x Air Rune
1000x Death Rune
(85+ Mage) 500x Chaos Rune
(85+ Mage) 500x Law Rune
(85+ Mage) 500+ Death Rune
-OR-
10x Green Dragonhide Set
10x Maple Shortbow
1000x Adamant Arrow

P2P Basic – Required – Above, Membership (52+ Summ)
20x Super Set (Super Att/Str/Def (4))
20x Saradomin Brew (4)
20x Super Restore (4)
20x Prayer Potion (4)
200x Shark (Monkfish/Rocktail interchangeable)
100x Spirit Terrorbird Pouch
20x Games Necklace (8)

P2P Melee – Required – Above
5x Helm of Neitiznot (Berserker helm interchangeable)
5x Dragon Scimitar (DDP++ interchangeable)
5x Amulet of Glory
5x Rune Gloves (Combat bracelet (4) interchangeable)
20x Ring of Recoil
Recommended: 5x Dragon Spear (P++)

P2P Hybrid – Optional – Above, 70+ Mage or 70+ Range
5x Mystic Robes Set (Splitbark interchangeable)
1000+ Air Rune
1000x Blood Rune
(Ancients) 5x Ancient Staff (Zuriel’s Staff interchangeable)
(Ancients) 2000+ Water Rune
-OR-
10x Black Dragonhide Set
10x Rune Crossbow
500x Diamond Bolts
20x Ranging Potion (4)
Recommended: Accumulator

Hybrid styles are stackable with membership, so if a P2P member chooses to hybrid mage, he/she must get both the F2P mage gear AND the P2P on top of that.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
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Elyxiatic
Posted: December 15, 2009 11:04 amTop
   
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 I don't want to sound mean keanu, but you need to spend more time on rs.

[ TRACKER ]: [All] exp gains for Wg Keanu in last 1wk: Overall +20,720 | Str(82) +10,057 | HP(82) +3,379 | Range(55) +72 | Pray(52) +5 | Mage(55) +4,727

That 20k xp was gained in the 1 hr pkri on sunday.

You're posting suggestions and that's great, but what WG needs from you is more training (more sets as well). Maybe leave the gear requirements to a raid leader or stokenut. I can easily see you've made 500 swordfish, 200 anchovy pizza, and most high levels don't use swordfish anyway (you shouldn't even at low levels).
 
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Jayson
Posted: December 15, 2009 11:08 amTop
   
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 like we said, p2ping with only melee is useless and a waste of sets. hybriding is pretty much compulsory.

and no one uses swordies more than pizza, if at all.

i only use swordies as part of my inven when we have a small matched fight where i know i can tank and use the extra hp, but even then, i use 5 swordies - 20 ish pizza
 
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WG_Keanu
Posted: December 15, 2009 12:01 pmTop
   
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 Yeah training I shall work on.

I use a combination. I typically use 10 swordfish and 10 pizzas arranged alternately which saves the pizzas moving to the top of the inventory when eaten halfway, and I still have space for hybrid gear/bind runes.
 
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Jayson
Posted: December 15, 2009 12:57 pmTop
   
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 use more pizzas to tank longer.

the pizzas are there for the speedy one click
 
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Sxe Asher
Posted: December 15, 2009 07:49 pmTop
   


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 Keanu, you are trying to fix the current "problem" but making it worse. The word "Recommended" (in the eyes of people who don't return or have the required sets) means "Don't bother getting".


 
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Posted: December 15, 2009 11:26 pmTop
   
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QUOTE   U Is Wat @ December 15, 2009 06:08 am)

like we said, p2ping with only melee is useless and a waste of sets. hybriding is pretty much compulsory.

and no one uses swordies more than pizza, if at all.

i only use swordies as part of my inven when we have a small matched fight where i know i can tank and use the extra hp, but even then, i use 5 swordies - 20 ish pizza

No, Hybrding IS compulsory. Ok, it might be written somewhere. If Not, im telling you now. If I see you, out on a raid, without 2 styles, I will personally kill you. I will bind you, and then call a pile on you, for being a lazy peice of shit.

Asher, you regs for maging/ranging are good, But they do need to be higher. Also, it makes people not wanna train to them levels, because then they wont have to get the gear.
 
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ray1578
Posted: December 16, 2009 02:40 amTop
   


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 I agree everyone should have mage.nonmember and member.Mage is a critical prat in clan pking binding blitzing tbing...if no one has mage then wars will b 10 times harder to win.And if you have low mage alch some it takes 1 day mabie to get to an ok mage level
 
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