It's not about the number of raid it's about the number of quality raids.
 
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July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011

It's not about the number of raid it's about the number of quality raids.

Joe for RL
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

if we stop doing this we might as well be all numbers... and if thats how its going to be fuck wg and i'll go to tt or corr. If i'm going to be in a clan where we are good at warring and thats it then i'll go to a better warring clan. I joined wg for the same reason many others did... the community... remove that then you will lose a lot of members evern some of the good warring people. because face it every warring person wants to be in the best clan and if this clan just switches over to warring they have nothing better than cor or tt or eos or any of the top 10 clans so why not just join a top 10 clan and be another 3 opts but be in the best clan at warring.
 
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if we stop doing this we might as well be all numbers... and if thats how its going to be fuck wg and i'll go to tt or corr. If i'm going to be in a clan where we are good at warring and thats it then i'll go to a better warring clan. I joined wg for the same reason many others did... the community... remove that then you will lose a lot of members evern some of the good warring people. because face it every warring person wants to be in the best clan and if this clan just switches over to warring they have nothing better than cor or tt or eos or any of the top 10 clans so why not just join a top 10 clan and be another 3 opts but be in the best clan at warring.

Just because you focus on warring doesn't mean you remove the community.
Have you ever thought about the fact that there can be a community, through warring?
 
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"Journeys are what brings us happiness,
Not the destination."

~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~

Stokenut - 3 time Council Member. Lead WG Numerous times into wars, and been up with the big boys in DI.

Randy - Raid Leader twice + Council Once. Also lead WG numerous times into wars, made shitloads of guides on how to war that even the big clans use.

Zemus - Aussie. Need i say more? Well i will, this kid makes his shit connection look fine tanking anyone or even leading. If he can lead through his connection he knows his stuff.

Mustang - Old school member. Been there through most of the peaks of Wg so he knows hows WG wars and what is needed to lead WG.

FBI - Since starting as Raid Leader has hosted many raids and most of them everyone profiting.



But im sure you probably know more about this clan in the 3 1/2 months you have been here than those 5 raid leaders who have well over 10 years together in WG.
 
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This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!


7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

That's cause WE'RE HOSTING THE WRONG KIND OF WARS. Let's look at our options and what WG has said they want, judging from THIS TOPIC.

F2P vs P2P

45% F2P
36% P2P
18% Both

We obviously like a mix of things. The F2P takes priority.

War vs PKRI (In F2P)

42% Uncapped PKRI
32% Full-out War
21% Capped PKRI
5% Matched Opts War

2/5ths want uncapped PKRIs in F2P. Nearly a third want full-out wars.

War vs PKRI (In P2P)

50% Full-out War
22% Uncapped PKRI
16% Matched Opts War
11% Capped PKRI

This is roughly saying a third of the selection of WG want to return to PKRIs, but HALF do not. Our strength in P2P is not in returning.

So, our plan should be:

We should focus on increasing the amount of F2P but still keep P2P active. Focus on slowly increasing F2P Uncapped PKRIs but continue to provide full-out wars for the members who do not want to return.Host more full-out wars in P2P but keep up a reasonable amount of PKRIs for the people who do want to return, and then slowly increase this amount as our numbers grow.

There are two more things to consider. CWA vs PvP, and our opponent. For CWA vs PvP I cannot speak for everyone but I think no one wants WG to become a CWA clan. In terms of opponents, we have been fighting clans like Dragonwood and Solace (SE remake) recently - clans we don't stand a chance against. We need to take a look at our turnouts, predict the next, and choose a clan where we have at least an equal chance of victory.

Remember, the primary event focus of any clan should be to provide events that the members find fun, enjoyable and want to attend. By giving the members what they have asked for, and making these successful, slowly we will begin to progress upwards.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

While we're at it, let's rename ourselves the Wilderness Powerhouse.

Don't force people to do things like this. Encourage them to.

I have been around 20 clans in my time and done leadership and advisory duties in several. One thing I have learned is DO NOT RAISE THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN FACING INACTIVITY PROBLEMS. People will argue that higher reqs mean we have better members and more people will want to join because of higher reqs. I have seen the results. It does not work out as well as people expect. In some cases it has slowed the clan down even more. WG has tried raising to 105 before. It hasn't worked out then, and I guarantee you it will not work again. You only want to raise the requirements when the clan has enough members that we need for 100+.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Like what, TuneScape? That didn't turn out too well did it?

Look, K. The issue with raising reqs is not that anybody hopes it'll boost instantly the way we war. And obviously it doesn't boost the amount of people in here.
Personally, I think raising the requirements is beneficial for two reasons...

- Less lower levels that handicap us. 105 is still low, lower than most other clans we would like to rival with. 105 is not a turnoff for lower levels. We already advocate training - why not make that clear to new recruits? The whole point is solving the hypocrisy, make objectives clear to avoid drama, fighting, and people leaving.

- Second, 100+ requirements sends a message to higher levels that'd be interested in WG, and that message is "mass recruiting low level clan". I know that's not true, but you have to think like a 120+ here. He wants to be a in a select group of high level members. He wants to feel special.

WG already had 100+ requirements years back. It was considered to be a high level clan like the others, thus we attracted people who hesitated between us and other clans. Nowadays, I doubt we're among the first choices for high levels, because of this visible requirements message we send.
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

While we're at it, let's rename ourselves the Wilderness Powerhouse.

Don't force people to do things like this. Encourage them to.

I have been around 20 clans in my time and done leadership and advisory duties in several. One thing I have learned is DO NOT RAISE THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN FACING INACTIVITY PROBLEMS. People will argue that higher reqs mean we have better members and more people will want to join because of higher reqs. I have seen the results. It does not work out as well as people expect. In some cases it has slowed the clan down even more. WG has tried raising to 105 before. It hasn't worked out then, and I guarantee you it will not work again. You only want to raise the requirements when the clan has enough members that we need for 100+.

Name these 20 clans, see how many of them were known.

What did you lead?



People try to encourage you to train but they are just wasting there breath.


The only reason you dont want reqs changed is because you DONT want to train.




And to top it off, why did you agree that WG needed an req raise?

Now your disagreeing? Because its a disadvantage for you?
 
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I wonder if everyone's excuse for not taking action on a valid suggestion is because I don't want to train.

Me: I say we add a new forum for...
WG: STFU KEANU THIS IS JUST BECAUSE U DONT WANT TO TRAIN

When Gene posted the poll on raising, I voted when I had a limited view and understanding of the clan's activity. Since my vote I have seen not only the turnouts to but the results of a lot of our PvP events and I have changed my mind. Between then and now I personally think in our current state we're not ready for a raise.

But by all means change the reqs just to prove your point. I'll save myself an "I told you so" when we drop back down to 100+ for the 100th time.

To clear up the personal shit:

[02:15] -[JK]RuneScript- *** [ TRACKER ]: [strength] exp gains for Wg Keanu in last 3days: 223,588 (84->85) | 1wk: 554,693 (83->85) |

There is nothing to say about me not wanting to train.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

wat

i agree i guess.

EL's these days just seem to want to run 'comps' n shit, i barely see any events.

EL's used to have to make daily events, and none of this comp crap for attendance

Yeah back when we ran this shit!

and as to the topic.

"Lol"
 
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The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO
Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan

wat

i agree i guess.

EL's these days just seem to want to run 'comps' n shit, i barely see any events.

EL's used to have to make daily events, and none of this comp crap for attendance

Yeah back when we ran this shit!

and as to the topic.

"Lol"

co-incidence, when we were running this shit, we were winning wars and no one was complaining about not winning wars.

new plan
promote me and saad
demote george to EL
Win wars again
????
Profit
 
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This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!


7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

SWEET, WE HAVE SUPPORTERS, JAYSON + SAAD FOR PRIMARY(S)
 
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This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!


7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

 
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Goals 2011

I wonder if everyone's excuse for not taking action on a valid suggestion is because I don't want to train.

Me: I say we add a new forum for...
WG: STFU KEANU THIS IS JUST BECAUSE U DONT WANT TO TRAIN

When Gene posted the poll on raising, I voted when I had a limited view and understanding of the clan's activity. Since my vote I have seen not only the turnouts to but the results of a lot of our PvP events and I have changed my mind. Between then and now I personally think in our current state we're not ready for a raise.

But by all means change the reqs just to prove your point. I'll save myself an "I told you so" when we drop back down to 100+ for the 100th time.

To clear up the personal shit:

[02:15] -[JK]RuneScript- *** [ TRACKER ]: [strength] exp gains for Wg Keanu in last 3days: 223,588 (84->85) | 1wk: 554,693 (83->85) |

There is nothing to say about me not wanting to train.

Well done on answering 1 of my many questions there !


How many of the recent wars/pkri's have you been at? i done personally remember seeing you at any of them, although im probably wrong.

But did you notice how many people there were below 105 combat?

You and possibly 1 other, theres only a couple here, and all are willing to train so a req raise should be done simply because we have so few 105-


Gratz on the 500k in 1 week, did only take 2 months to get out of you
 
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It doesn't matter whether a clan is well-known or not if we're on the topic of requirement raises. What matters is what the clan's requirements were, what they raised to, how many members they had, and what happened. If you want a full list look up my Application.

No idea what this has to do with anything, but no, people don't encourage me to train. CSOTW is encouraging me to train. Logging onto the IRC and having someone say "go train" is not.

(insert triple facepalm pic here)

Answered this one already

If WG raised to 105, I wouldn't call needing to get 3 combat levels a disadvantage.

Pretty much all of them that we had prep for. I admit I missed out on the Poison war but from what I heard, we lost. I'd like to see the recap on that one. Heck, I've had to post recaps myself for some of the raids/wars we've hosted recently.

Most of them were P2P where I am 108, so I can't say I did. Let me look at our ML. I see a new applicant, myself, a higher guardian and an event leader. Ah well. Like I said, we're losing wars, facing inactivity, our primary leader's AWOL... if you think raising the requirements by 5 levels will suddenly make all the 120s thing OMG WG IS EPIC HOLY SHIT JOIN feel free to do so.

Thanks I'll take that as a compliment. If I don't I might stop training
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same