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Posted: February 7, 2010 06:03 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | What I'm saying is, if someone raids as much as Veph does, and gives to WG as much as Veph does, they deserve to skip a raid occassionally. Yes, you heard me. But if it was a member that had questionable activity... someone who was less active than Veph and only appeared on occasional raids, that would be a different story. It will be judged case by case. Veph can skip the occasional raid because he raids all the time. If someone gets lazy, there's a difference. Veph is not lazy. I know the difference between taking a break and being lazy. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:18 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | I think recruiting more active members is the key thing in this. With a bigger ML we'll pull more people. When we pull more people, the members enjoy raids and wars more. With more members enjoying raids and wars, we'll have a better % of people vs. memberlist attending raids and wars. With more people attending fun wars and raids, people will all demand more of it. With more raids and wars WG will be better at PvP. It's all a big cycle branching out from a bigger memberlist... I do think we should have a more clear objective and task for our members if we want better recruitment. Having council say HEY EVRYONE RECRUIT MORRR doesn't make anyone want to recruit. If you make a topic clearly stating the steps and techniques (I remember a topic like this before) and have a recruitment team that ACTUALLY GETS UPDATED AND DOES WORK, I think we'll see a lot more members willing to recruit. Having specific recruitment events that are fun for the clan is also an idea. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:22 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Yup. Recruitment is the great issue we need to look at above all else. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:31 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
No offence to veph, but i rarely see him at raids. --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:44 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Here's where I step in and say he's almost always at the Aussie raid. And its really mean of you to be dragging his name through the mud in public. Like... really inconsiderate. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:45 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
Once per week. Doesn't really give you an excuse to skip raids. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:50 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Please change my name to WG Pinata then put a colorful dinosaur pinata next to my name. I burst out candy sigils that I've collected from skipping every raid to kill Corporeal Beast.  --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 06:52 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Ok I'm going to skip the war today because apparently I can. --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 07:02 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | I think this is sliding offtopic. Sure, members skip raid, but Veph isn't the first, nor the last that will. Sure, Veph should be reprimanded because he's in a leadership position which comes with responsabilities, especially in a time of crisis. Sure, we need recruitment, activity, but Gene, you're about to make the same mistake as always. You said you took my advice seriously, do this now more than ever. I take the risk of sounding presumptous because I think it's worth risking my credibility on this. The issue you should be adressing before trying to get new members is keeping the members you already have. Sure, we have to keep the members who come to 1 or 2 raids a week. But think of those who come 4 times a week if offered the chance. These are the ones you are going to lose if you're not careful here. In fact some are already leaving, and you can't deny we came close to losing many more multiple times, and I don't see why you aren't panicking at this. If they leave IRC will be dead, and nobody will even greet the newcomers, make live the clan and even ensure recruiting if they are gone. Alongside being casual & friendly is necessarily a serious & rigorous dimension, a side of the clan that isn't all love & smiles but also pride, strength, the will to prove you're not worth crap out there. What are the steps to please everybody, I don't know. But there are some people in WG ,who aren't necessarily ranked, that you ought to have one-on-one conversations with before the frustration bubble exploses. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 07:30 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Staff had a huge meeting today. Changes are coming. So lets not have the pretense anymore that all the issues here haven't been discussed. If you are considering leaving now it would be bad timing. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 09:57 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | most of this has nothing to do with the leaders, but the members. So why don't the members try to inspire their fellow clan mates to be part of wg. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 7, 2010 10:21 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mtoise Group: Ex-Member Posts: 715 Member No.: 1691 Joined: February 5, 2009 Total Events Attended: 60 | I think we're looking at this wrong, it's not the active staff that are the problem. It's the innactive ones; who are not online to skip raids, are not there to host events, the one's who despite having a rank and playing 7 days a week host minimal events. -------------------- "Do not believe everything that is written on the internet; for it may just be a bag of lies" - George Washington 1873 - On the long winding road to 99 slayer. 98 to 99 Slay without killing a thing. 22/28 effigy's PM me if you can assist Construction Effigy's | ||
Posted: February 8, 2010 09:38 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Zach, you're right. I want to keep the members I already have, and that's my biggest priority. Tensions are high so I'm trying to play peacekeeper, and that's what I'm doing in this topic. How did you come to presume I'm making the same mistake? Just because I don't talk about preserving the current WG doesn't mean I'm not doing it. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 8, 2010 01:41 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | My original post is not here? hmmm I will try harder to do more. If my illness gets in WG's way I'll leave. Rachy  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: February 8, 2010 11:37 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 |
lolthis --------------------
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