Might not have been their fault, or maybe someone over-reacted at something that didnt really deserve a ban.
Like theres a difference between say mugger and flippie.
Mugger is a fgt who deserves to be banned, he actually does cause harm to WG intentionally.
However flippie made one mistake of having his forum pass the same as his rs pass and a good friend of his took advantage of that without him knowing.
Flippie isnt a bad guy and doesnt harm WG, whereas some other people who actually do deserve the ban, do.
 
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~ Guardian since November 2007 ~

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Server: US Jubei'Thos       Faction: Horde
   85 Blood-Elf Paladin
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Might not have been their fault, or maybe someone over-reacted at something that didnt really deserve a ban.
Like theres a difference between say mugger and flippie.
Mugger is a fgt who deserves to be banned, he actually does cause harm to WG intentionally.
However flippie made one mistake of having his forum pass the same as his rs pass and a good friend of his took advantage of that without him knowing.
Flippie isnt a bad guy and doesnt harm WG, whereas some other people who actually do deserve the ban, do.

then why did council ban him if that's the case

sounds like shoot first, ask questions later.

and

guilty before proven innocent.

there's no need to change the ban system. what needs to change is the reviews that take place and the options possible. banishment isn't the only alternative.
 
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Goals 2011

You said you were making bans perm long before Flip and some of those weren't.
When it comes to Flip though it's perm though...
 
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July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011

i'm quite curious because its my clear understanding that council have the liberty to do what is necessary as long as it holds the best interest of the clan.

i do see one thing is clear about this message and that it is directed at everyone. the irony is that members being unbanned/banned isn't a clan decision but administrative decision. with that said the message has become more of a creed in which his lordship word is on the line.

but is that enough?

on the other hand it seems the clan dosen't want to cut ties with banned individuals because they can relate to them as friends/colleagues and emotional reasons that are not rational.

thus far what has been done has truly been beneficial and there are no exceptions, only doubts in my thoughts. the current affairs of the clan only seem to draw it closer to that of disarray. i do believe that this is truly not to be challenged because it holds true to his lordships word and its not to be broken. by this belief and previous experiences i can say that the joke known as banning is a known Absolute Truth.


Sgtswordfish
 
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Goals 2011

QFT.

I respect the decision knowing that it is done in the best interests of the clan.

Although I feel this post will come back to haunt me someday
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

the decision was rock solid. certain members just didn't want it to stay that way.

everyone had a reason to appeal. the thing about it is that banishment itself shouldn't be up for appeal.

its a permanent fix to a temporary problem =D
 
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Goals 2011

the decision was rock solid. certain members just didn't want it to stay that way.

everyone had a reason to appeal. the thing about it is that banishment itself shouldn't be up for appeal.

its a permanent fix to a temporary problem =D

All I'm saying is that with a change in the banning's nature (irrevocable permanent, even though those both mean the same) should also come a change in the way they are handed out.
You don't want to "really ban forever" by mistake.
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

These kind of simple posts is why I love you.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~