Agree

A war, yes. A raid, leave that at 20% warn.

I still think asking for 3 combat levels in 1 month ALONGSIDE 6m worth of gear plus event attendance and so is asking for too much. Definitely not 5. Unless of course we extend the TG period - that I don't mind so much.

Agree

Strongly agree

Yes but don't make them look as horrible as that. But they do work really well.

Mmmrrrrrrrgggghhhhhh I really dunno anymore. I'm gonna stay neutral on this but I don't mind whether we switch to TS3 or keep mumble. I have both and am happy using either.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Can easily be added the attendance editor.

Two week suspension is a tad overboard. I agree with the 40-60% warn though, as long as the prep is over 3 days.

Agreed. WTF @ Keanu. 3 combat levels in one month and 6m of gear? That's a piece of piss. I got well over 5 combat levels in that time and that wasn't even no lifing, that was also before armoured zombies. As for making 6m in a month.. Come on. I've made over 25m in the last week, and that's without godwars/merching

Agreed. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to sign up if there's over 3 days prep, unless of course you have an inactivity post.

Agreed. I won't go into level 4, but what happens in level 3 isn't as important as it's made out to be.

I had an idea for that a while ago, but these forums aren't capable of what I had in mind.

I think everyone already knows my stance on this already.
 
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WTFAK TEACH ME
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

But I say put that to 20-40% 50 or 60% is a little harsh in my opinion.

And Regenade, great suggestions mate.
 
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Requirement raises are still being discussed. The last time we did this the I think I was a higher guardian at the time. It was such a disappointment to me. I would be in irc and someone new would come in and I'd be the only one to greet them. We had loads of intros and unfriendly members. Gene wasn't there to see how badly some of the clan behaved. Things have gotten better but the porn links and cum in your face talk is not going to help keep intros now either. "That is all."


 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~

 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Have to disagree. Attendance is what is killing our clan. Skipping is lowering our attendance, thus hurting the clan. People that skip usually aren't doing anything better. Maybe loyalty isn't measured in attendance, but you're hurting your clan by not attending.

Also who determines if the person has put in enough work? Leaves ALOT of room for bias.

Wrong.

Last time we tried this, we had our by far biggest influx of intros in my time in WG, at one point 2-3 A DAY. But nobody worked hard to get these people in, so many didn't really join because they felt detached. On the side, our avg went up and we were winning more. However we weren't getting new members at a satisfactory pace, so you came in and made one of your "I told you I was right you were wrong" speeches and now here we are, no better off. Matter of fact, worse off. I really hope you don't think 100+ has been working out better for us, we've only gained a few members more because of it, half being inactive.

I'm sorry to say lordy, but this isn't 2006 or 2007 anymore. The times are changing, higher levels ARE needed to be better now, that's just the way it is. I would know, frankly you wouldn't. I'm not trying to be rude at all, I have a TON of respect for you, but you don't have a grasp at all of the current clan world. It's the strongest survive now, adapt or die.

As much as I'd like to have lower reqs, we just can't afford it at the moment, not with the current clan situation.

Again, members that like wars and pking (which at this point is most of us), are being starved of what they like, wars. They might be rare treats to you, but to us we thirst for them, and we expect them.

Not really, most people hate it, we just use it because we have to.

Sorry if I came across rude, posting things in here has gotten beyond pointless recently because in my last few topics it was rare that a council person even bothered to post at all.
 
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How does NOT raising them help us?

Right, I guess they're one more D skirt loot for our opponents in the P2P wars we'll have once a month. Kewl.

Have you ever been wrong Gene? O wait, you can't. Sorry for forgetting that basic rule.
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

Have to disagree. Attendance is what is killing our clan. Skipping is lowering our attendance, thus hurting the clan. People that skip usually aren't doing anything better. Maybe loyalty isn't measured in attendance, but you're hurting your clan by not attending.

It comes down to the basic underlying rule that raids and wars should be events that people WANT to come to, and are not forced to come to. Then we get into a whole debate about why are you in this clan and you're not supporting us progressing and that shit. Still not found a viable solution.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

You're always going to want quantity, but you need quality first to bring in the members.

You don't give a flying fuck about adaptation? That's really sad. Seeing as your whole council, and 95% of the whole clan want to or are atleast willing to try to raise the requirements. You're just to stubborn to do it, nobody is going to care if you're wrong.

Most clans we fight nowadays have far, FAR better stats than we do, and that's why we keep on losing. It's not our fault, it's just statistics, someone with 5x the experience and 15-20 more levels is simply going to tank longer, hit higher, hit more often, hit more successful binds, yadda yadda yadda. This clan isn't attractive whatsoever to experienced, high level players. I don't blame them for not joining honestly.

Zach and me are "strutting around pretending like we know everything" because we DO know better and more about the current clan scene than you do. That's a fact.

You're going to kill this damn clan by being a damn nazi. 95% of the clan wants higher reqs, or to do the things you don't want to. If you deny us what we want, we will and most certainly can find it elsewhere.




 
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Hey, you started the "WG is ALWAYS wrong and ALWAYS has been, I'm right and ALWAYS have been" thing. I just started the "I'm right you're wrong this time in particular" thing.

Struttin' since 05.
 
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London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee
Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader
Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008

you have started training?

you have gotten 3 combat levels since you joined on October 16th.

That is 5 months, 10 days.

Or 163 days.

you say you are deticated to WG, yet you show very little detication to training for WG.
 
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This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!


7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

you have started training?

you have gotten 3 combat levels since you joined on October 16th.

That is 5 months, 10 days.

Or 163 days.

you say you are deticated to WG, yet you show very little detication to training for WG.

he did train his account from scratch to join wg
^

in any case. not everyone will give their all.
 
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Goals 2011

you have started training?

you have gotten 3 combat levels since you joined on October 16th.

That is 5 months, 10 days.

Or 163 days.

you say you are deticated to WG, yet you show very little detication to training for WG.

he did train his account from scratch to join wg
^

in any case. not everyone will give their all.

yes, he has a lvl 100 account, but he decided to train an account from scratch to join WG and be the first WG member with WG in their name. whoops, display name change update
 
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This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!


7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended.

Incorrect, sir. Having WG in my name was the last reason I started a new account. I'm not focusing on getting combat levels right now. My primary goal right now is to get to a decent level in terms of gear and supplies, then do some questing so I can have access to things like ancients and curses, and skilling of course. After that, then I will focus on max melee or whatever it is you guys want.

Anyway, back on topic. I have always stuck by the policy that if a clan's in a low state, raising the requirements is the last thing we'd want to do.

Say we raised to 110. Yes, we'd be getting better members in, but with the state of our pulls and our recent war record, how many 110+ clanless will actually want to join WG? And we'd be dead in the water in terms of fights. We find it difficult to have a fair chance against 100+ clans nowadays and putting us up to 110 would put us alongside clans like VR and DF. Think we could challenge them at any point? I doubt. A requirement raise will only really give a false representation.

I agree with Gene when I say mass-recruitment is the way to go. I estimate that most people join the clan world around level 70-80, and by the time they hit 100 they have a basic understanding of how the clan world works and knowledge and experience on the battlefield. They may not have 99 defence or 100 rune sets but they can hold their own on the front lines. If we got 10-20 active 100-110s into WG, they might not be pros but our turnouts would steadily increase, event popularity would rise, and more activity means we start outpulling to wars, end our losing streak and get back on course. THEN we can start thinking about our next move.

Always think one step ahead- not two. We're in a slump, and our priority is to get out of it. A requirement raise would be throwing ourselves ahead and it could very well kill us if it doesn't work. From what Gene's said, we've tried it before and it hasn't, so we shouldn't keep making the same mistakes. Mass recruitment is an open door that we haven't tried yet. I'm willing to bet it works for us if we advocate it.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same