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QUOTE: Sativas @ November 14, 2010 10:24 am)

QUOTE: Firelion08 November 14, 2010 11:05 am

I've seen numerous times that Gene, especially, has been criticized for bending the rules. The complaints are a bit ridiculous, in my opinion... and this is essentially why; the rules are not bent for Gene's personal benefit as much as for the clan's sake, literally and/or ideologically. There should already be an understanding of the important, primary set of rules. Then, there are the more minor rules -- which are more flexible and liable to change; lenient. And that's often the case.

I've seen members that were allowed to do or say things they couldn't under more strict circumstances, for the sake of good faith... and over time, it seemed like they grew to expect it as a right instead of a privilege. And when Gene or a council member finally told them to tone down, they threw a tantrum like they had been violated. Am I the only one that thinks that's retarded? Because it happens a lot... and there are always people crying about it.

Anyway, in regards to the actual topic... Of course, I say let him back in. Unless he broke any important rules - which I'm not aware that he has - then I say bring him back with an appropriate rank -- which is not Trial Member or Council. If he has, then make him Trial Member.

Whatever the case, I don't think he should be made council again unless he fights for it... fiercely. Or, the Council themselves really want him to be.

As for public perception... screw them. Frankly, it's not their business. And that also goes for ex-members.

My exact thoughts worded better then even I could lol.

I agree! Very well said!

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QUOTE: rachellove9 @ November 14, 2010 04:32 pm)

Of course you all know how I voted, but I truly am aware of how it can happen. For those that were in the IRC not to long ago and I said I felt like rage quitting. It can happen to any of. We sometimes let our own emotions take over instead of letting our brain think it all out to the end of more then the moment.

isnt that what the 2 weeks is for? To think things over. Vephy totally ignored that and left, said peace out, im sick of the shit and he left......Now he regrets it, wanna know why? Because he didnt use his 2 weeks to think things through.....this should be an example of why theres the 2 week thing, if you leave before the 2 weeks, goodbye, if you wait, props.

I think its kinda bullshit to let him back in......but thats imo

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QUOTE: Kiwi011 @ November 14, 2010 12:35 pm)

QUOTE: rachellove9 November 14, 2010 04:32 pm

Of course you all know how I voted, but I truly am aware of how it can happen. For those that were in the IRC not to long ago and I said I felt like rage quitting. It can happen to any of. We sometimes let our own emotions take over instead of letting our brain think it all out to the end of more then the moment.

isnt that what the 2 weeks is for? To think things over. Vephy totally ignored that and left, said peace out, im sick of the shit and he left......Now he regrets it, wanna know why? Because he didnt use his 2 weeks to think things through.....this should be an example of why theres the 2 week thing, if you leave before the 2 weeks, goodbye, if you wait, props.

I think its kinda bullshit to let him back in......but thats imo

He made a mistake and regrets it.
Is it rare that people make mistakes?

From what I read he just wants to be back in WG, and a lot of people want him back as well.

I don't see this as asking a lot. Especially for what he has done.

I've never seen anyone micromanage as well as Vephy did during his time in council.

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QUOTE: Sativas @ November 14, 2010 01:24 pm)

QUOTE: Firelion08 November 14, 2010 11:05 am

I've seen numerous times that Gene, especially, has been criticized for bending the rules. The complaints are a bit ridiculous, in my opinion... and this is essentially why; the rules are not bent for Gene's personal benefit as much as for the clan's sake, literally and/or ideologically. There should already be an understanding of the important, primary set of rules. Then, there are the more minor rules -- which are more flexible and liable to change; lenient. And that's often the case.

I've seen members that were allowed to do or say things they couldn't under more strict circumstances, for the sake of good faith... and over time, it seemed like they grew to expect it as a right instead of a privilege. And when Gene or a council member finally told them to tone down, they threw a tantrum like they had been violated. Am I the only one that thinks that's retarded? Because it happens a lot... and there are always people crying about it.

Anyway, in regards to the actual topic... Of course, I say let him back in. Unless he broke any important rules - which I'm not aware that he has - then I say bring him back with an appropriate rank -- which is not Trial Member or Council. If he has, then make him Trial Member.

Whatever the case, I don't think he should be made council again unless he fights for it... fiercely. Or, the Council themselves really want him to be.

As for public perception... screw them. Frankly, it's not their business. And that also goes for ex-members.

My exact thoughts worded better then even I could lol.

Vephyrus only rule broken was the one in the topic stated: left the council without his two weeks notice.

Looking back now I should of stepped in and forced him with a suspension to take the well needed and deserved break. I can tell you that I think about that all the time now and regret not taking action on it. He needed the break and council makes you so worried over every thing that he couldn't stay away.

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Vephy is one of the main reasons that I ended up applying for WG. It is because of his kindness and understanding that allowed me to not feel worried and ended up applying.

I voted yes.

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Wrote a big wall of text and my flailing arms hit the mouse-pad on the laptop and deleted all of it. So to sum it up. Rules are rules, and rules are made to be bent from time to time, Gene knows that better that anyone (I'm not talking about a similar situation, i mean just as a general fact

). Veph was a great council member and SHOULD be allowed to continue to be a great WG member. Realistically, i don't see why anyone should be against Veph wanting to return unless you have a hidden personal vendetta or are just a very rule-abiding person D:

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As I said earlier, Vephy should be allowed to return but to an extent, seeing as the rules are already being bent enough I think he should start again as a Trail Guardian.

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QUOTE: rachellove9 November 14, 2010 08:11 pm

Vephyrus only rule broken was the one in the topic stated: left the council without his two weeks notice.

Looking back now I should of stepped in and forced him with a suspension to take the well needed and deserved break. I can tell you that I think about that all the time now and regret not taking action on it. He needed the break and council makes you so worried over every thing that he couldn't stay away.

I'd vote to give him Trial Member then.

Kiwi does have a point. Skipping the 2-week grace period was reckless and irresponsible. When you hold that much responsibility, leaving unexpectedly can cause damage.
However... we all make mistakes. What makes a difference is who we are as people despite them. And, as far as I'm concerned, Veph seemed willing enough to be a positive part of this community while he was here.

What's done is done, Rachel. I think it's good that you regret your decisions, because, to me, that means you've learned something from them. Right?

He screwed up. And that's fine. He wants to come back. And that's fantastic. The clan code calls for justice? Strip him of his rank. At the moment, it seems like that would benefit everybody.

Btw... For future reference: If a council member needs a break... ask for one! ffs.

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Nathan, was my biggest influence in this clan,

he helped me so much whilst i joined and graduated in WG, i miss him dearly, and he is a valued member of the clan.

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QUOTE: Kung Man149 @ November 14, 2010 04:22 pm)

As I said earlier, Vephy should be allowed to return but to an extent, seeing as the rules are already being bent enough I think he should start again as a Trail Guardian.

I believe not, that is ridiculous.

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