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 Claws aloud on raids, but dds aren't?
Posted: February 19, 2011 06:23 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Mark February 19, 2011 01:15 pm
       
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QUOTE: Kevin  February 18, 2011 07:08 pm
Only people I've seen with claws are also TBers, which is fine then.

yah there tbing because they want kills and there to lazy to get on ancients when we need freezers more than 10 people tbing and clawing for drops.

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Posted: February 19, 2011 08:25 pmTop
   
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I freeze every raid, and rarely get kills.

Freezers get their kills from barrage piles, not a single opponent. If all 20 of us on a raid attack one person, the freezers will hit a max of like 250 or something with Ice Blitz while rangers and meleers can hit far more than that.

There just isn't much of a chance for a freezer to get a kill when we're taking on individuals.

I personally don't see the problem with the DDS. Sure it's cheap, but if you're freezing, you're already risking like 800k in Mystic and runes. Might as well cut those people some slack and let them have a cheap, but efficient weapon that can help get some kills.

Besides, freezers are going to first freeze the opponent then run in with their DDS once they're frozen, simple.

The problem is where people who're risking like 400k with a D-Scimitar try to lower their risk by bringing a DDS. That's when it just isn't fair to those that risk more, and are more likely to die because they're targeted.

Let mages have the choice between acceptable weapons.

On a similar note, what is the current say on Korasi's Sword? Are we allowed to bring that on raids or no?
 
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Posted: February 19, 2011 09:09 pmTop
   
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Korasi is shit in multi so no point in even bringing it.
 
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Posted: February 19, 2011 10:40 pmTop
   
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After today, no claws.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 04:18 amTop
   
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After today, no claws.

Unless it's an impromptu raid. Like last night we had 6 people: 2 rangers, 2 freezers, and 2 TB'ers. I shared 100k of my 500k kills which is 20%, and I think is fair. I only got two kills all night, the rest I just looted. I made enough to pay for my death and a little extra.

Overall, I personally find mages beating me out of kills, however, I think that they should be able to choose what they would like.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 06:22 amTop
   
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After today, no claws.

Unless it's an impromptu raid. Like last night we had 6 people: 2 rangers, 2 freezers, and 2 TB'ers. I shared 100k of my 500k kills which is 20%, and I think is fair. I only got two kills all night, the rest I just looted. I made enough to pay for my death and a little extra.

Overall, I personally find mages beating me out of kills, however, I think that they should be able to choose what they would like.

We could pull 20 to an impromptu and then its pointless.

5 or more = no claws imo
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 07:49 amTop
   
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Using what logic ?
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 08:43 amTop
   
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Using what logic ?

People are tbing just so they can take claws and get kills. And they dont have to share just cause their tbing. Theres my logic
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 10:38 amTop
   
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Using what logic ?

People are tbing just so they can take claws and get kills. And they dont have to share just cause their tbing. Theres my logic

Means they do both jobs, which is actually better..

No1 shares with TBer anyway
 
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QUOTE: Raging Mage2  February 20, 2011 07:49 pm
Using what logic ?

People are tbing just so they can take claws and get kills. And they dont have to share just cause their tbing. Theres my logic

Means they do both jobs, which is actually better..

No1 shares with TBer anyway

love people saying that clearly have not raided with me yet.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 10:47 amTop
   
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To be honest, I'd much prefer if one person got more than his "fair share" of kills, if it increased our total kill-rate.
It's incredibly annyoing when raiding with 5 people, and despite being TB'd and frozen, the guy still manages to escape.
On top of that, finding TBers seems to be hard - I'd like to see two on each raid. If allowing claws means more people TBing, that's fine by me.

Mind you, I've made quite a bit of my loot(and all of my rune/etc costs) off secondary drops - The loads of prayer pots and such that get left behind. And that's not even mentioning the occasional Neitisnot helms and such that get left by the guy who gets the kill.
Just because you don't get kills, doesn't mean you can't make money - Just wait for drops, like happened in the old wildy.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 11:24 amTop
   
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Can't have people waiting at every single kill every single time, we'd be spending LITERALLY half the raid time waiting around to pick up secondary loots.

I always ask who tb'ed after scoring a kill, it's a habit from the old wildy since i wasn't a big fan of the new(old now) wildy.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 12:37 pmTop
   
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Took claws to the raid tonight while tbing, I wanted to see what it was like, I have no idea how these clawers are getting kills, first off half the people we kill aren't even TB'd because im still casting the TB when they die and secondly by the time Ive even clicked once (and I have my tb ready on rush) a few "tbers" are already there with their claws out speccin' them.

Yes a raid with kills is good, just dont say you're tbing when you're not, we get a false amount of numbers when its only 2-3 out of the 7 who say they are tbing, we end up having less hybrids.

I say anyway can bring any weapon - no one has objected to members bringing ags or other spec weapon, its time we stopped limiting ourselves in the wilderness.

Also - what happened to enforcing spears/d scims? The only person (and there may be more) who I see constantly bringing spears is Woof, one out of a 60 man ML. one.
 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 06:21 pmTop
   
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Also - what happened to enforcing spears/d scims? The only person (and there may be more) who I see constantly bringing spears is Woof, one out of a 60 man ML. one.

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Posted: February 20, 2011 06:27 pmTop
   
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I always bring d spear, hence why i started with 25 now down to 3 lol

 
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Posted: February 20, 2011 08:57 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 @ February 20, 2011 07:37 am)
Took claws to the raid tonight while tbing, I wanted to see what it was like, I have no idea how these clawers are getting kills, first off half the people we kill aren't even TB'd because im still casting the TB when they die and secondly by the time Ive even clicked once (and I have my tb ready on rush) a few "tbers" are already there with their claws out speccin' them.

Yes a raid with kills is good, just dont say you're tbing when you're not, we get a false amount of numbers when its only 2-3 out of the 7 who say they are tbing, we end up having less hybrids.

I say anyway can bring any weapon - no one has objected to members bringing ags or other spec weapon, its time we stopped limiting ourselves in the wilderness.

Also - what happened to enforcing spears/d scims? The only person (and there may be more) who I see constantly bringing spears is Woof, one out of a 60 man ML. one.

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Posted: February 20, 2011 10:11 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 February 20, 2011 07:37 am
Took claws to the raid tonight while tbing, I wanted to see what it was like, I have no idea how these clawers are getting kills, first off half the people we kill aren't even TB'd because im still casting the TB when they die and secondly by the time Ive even clicked once (and I have my tb ready on rush) a few "tbers" are already there with their claws out speccin' them.

Yes a raid with kills is good, just dont say you're tbing when you're not, we get a false amount of numbers when its only 2-3 out of the 7 who say they are tbing, we end up having less hybrids.

I say anyway can bring any weapon - no one has objected to members bringing ags or other spec weapon, its time we stopped limiting ourselves in the wilderness.

Also - what happened to enforcing spears/d scims? The only person (and there may be more) who I see constantly bringing spears is Woof, one out of a 60 man ML. one.

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And often when I go to spear, the guy has already been dropped before I can even get off one spear.
 
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Posted: February 21, 2011 08:23 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Flame Reece @ February 20, 2011 03:24 am)
Can't have people waiting at every single kill every single time, we'd be spending LITERALLY half the raid time waiting around to pick up secondary loots.

I always ask who tb'ed after scoring a kill, it's a habit from the old wildy since i wasn't a big fan of the new(old now) wildy.

Eh, for -most- kills I'd say we should. Especially on busy worlds.

Why? We can get -more- kills this way. I've ended up getting attacked by PKers a -number- of times while waiting for a drop(and having everyone run ahead)... but -usually- noone's around by then so we can't kill em.

Point is, waiting a bit won't hurt. Sure, we kill some noob with no gear - Leave it. If we kill someone with some decent gear and such... definitely wait. We might even run into the guy again as he tries to come back!
(We've done that when some guy was cannoning - ended up getting one piece of cannon! tongue.gif )

 
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Posted: February 21, 2011 09:24 amTop
   
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What you're saying is completely right Robbie, but the fact is that it isn't helping clan organization at all. It is slowing down raids and not helping our organization, and by that, i mean that 20 people killing 1 person isn't improving squat.

We should be killing someone, (the killer) should be looting and everybody else should be fallen in, shares can be given out later. I give my shares to TB'ers after raids. If that person can't loot fast enough and move on with the clan, well guess what? You're becoming a liability in a war or a decent run-in.
 
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Posted: February 21, 2011 09:28 amTop
   
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Double post: And to what Zooby said, if you're willing to risk something such as an AGS/Dbow biggrin.gif/Claws, then let it be, because to be honest it does get people ko'ed alot faster in P2P.

Atleast then it will stop fake tb'ers just so they can use a OP weapon.
 
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Posted: February 21, 2011 05:56 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Flame Reece @ February 21, 2011 09:28 pm)
Double post: And to what Zooby said, if you're willing to risk something such as an AGS/Dbow biggrin.gif/Claws, then let it be, because to be honest it does get people ko'ed alot faster in P2P.

Atleast then it will stop fake tb'ers just so they can use a OP weapon.

Thats how the get dropped. Seen 2 people TBING with claws and then not actually tbing until after they spec.
 
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