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Posted: March 26, 2011 05:30 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: creeper975 @ March 26, 2011 04:52 pm)
Why are people taking this so seriously? All it is, is hunting a clan were not to friendly with. Its free rune at the end of the day. The council made their decision to have a rivalry, if you don't like it, then don't come along to the hunts? Simple.

You clearly missunderstood the concept of rivalry and our policy about it. Even if you dislike other clans, you don't tell them to f off in order not to lose your face in public, that's called diplomacy if you have ever heard of it.

and yeah randy, what saad said, i would have expected more from your side. Thinking this way won't take us anywhere..."he started it", what are we five years old?

the whole point of this is we should stand above them, let them have their trash threads about us on their forums, that won't do any harm to us. If they happen to post on RSC about us losing a fight to them, we just show pictures and deny it, no1 would ever believe them.

Due to this whole thing they're getting alot of publicity, which is the best recruitment drive ever. So we're helping them by giving them that much of attention. You want to close them? well then ignore them and if you happen to meet them in wildy, then beat the living sht out of them....as long as we do it with some dignity.
 
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Posted: March 26, 2011 05:34 pmTop
   
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I fall half way between both parties on this debate.
Bam, you're right in the behaviour being less than adequate regarding this.
If we're to hunt them, we must be dignified about it. We did survive this long because of maturity.

DZ is absolutely on the money. I don't have to type it up because that's where I stand too.
I really don't want to pack my bags Bam, but TBK really does deserve this. It is not a lowering of our standards... in fact all we've seen is unification of members. People come together to bring him down.

If you're uncomfortable with hunting, you need not attend. If you want to debate whether or not hunting is appropriate, I think you should start a new topic that doesn't bait so many flames.
 
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Posted: March 26, 2011 09:07 pmTop
   
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I agree, we've succumbed to a level of maturity that I know WG has never seen before. We used to kick people that behaved the way we're behaving now.

I'm not nearly as active as I used to be, but I know that hunting a clan is nowhere near dishonorable. It's what clans do, regardless of size. Bigger clans hunt weaker clans most of the time, that's how you stabilize. Then you slowly work your way up the ladder.

To be quite honest, we're still trying to stabilize. We win some and lose some, but never really have a solid streak going. We either perform really well or really poorly. This rivalry that we have going, albeit childish in many ways will help us. The constant action will get everyone accustomed to the way the wilderness works, people will naturally get better at the skills that are necessary to be a successful PvPer.

We don't have to end them, but we can most definitely interact with them. We just have to be the bigger men and take our wins with stride. Tell them it was enjoyable and that they put of a valiant effort regardless of whether or not they did. Don't be rude because they'll have nothing to use as fuel for their anger, and if they flame us then you know it's all on them, not simply a reaction to something stupid we did, but a reaction to how good we are.
 
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Posted: March 26, 2011 10:38 pmTop
   
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“It is not truth that matters, but victory”

(Adolf Hitler quotes (German Chancellor, leader of the Nazi party, 1889-1945)


I am seeing something in this thread that I don't like. When did we become a clan that only the victory matters?

If you are involved in flaming TBK, then you need to change that. We are not at a level of being cruel. Are you any better or worse than the other clan you say are NH if you do not act in honor yourselves?

Anyone asking you to do something on RSC that is not honorable has not discussed it with all of council. I am aware of what is going on, but I don't approve of it.

 
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Posted: March 27, 2011 05:54 amTop
   
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david actually explained why i said the thing about ppl don't deserve being in this clan. I never ment to make people leave the clan, i was just saying that if we WERE still acting as we used to back in the day, most of the TBK haters would have been kicked...and please don't come with the arguement "don't live in the past, WG changed" and sht like that, WG's one and only strength is our old traditions and if you abolish them - you kill WG.

rachel made actually the best worst example of our current situation, that's pretty much how i feel most of the staff are acting about this right now...victory is more important than anythhing else: that's just wrong.
 
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Posted: March 27, 2011 06:43 amTop
   
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Tbk have more members than us.

Tbk flame us constantly, i dont see why we should take that just because its keanu. If it was any other clan nobody would care.
 
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Posted: March 28, 2011 05:50 amTop
   
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I've decided I am sick of this. I will no longer be attending TBK "hunts". I will attend events in which we f2p pk against every clan. But when we go out and its just us hunting TBK and saying "AC AC AC" to every other clan it's pretty shit.

Let me know when WG grows up.
 
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Posted: March 28, 2011 07:15 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 @ March 28, 2011 05:50 am)
I've decided I am sick of this. I will no longer be attending TBK "hunts". I will attend events in which we f2p pk against every clan. But when we go out and its just us hunting TBK and saying "AC AC AC" to every other clan it's pretty shit.

Let me know when WG grows up.

We do not crash fights.
That is a fundemental rule.

 
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Posted: March 28, 2011 08:53 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 @ March 28, 2011 04:50 pm)
I've decided I am sick of this. I will no longer be attending TBK "hunts". I will attend events in which we f2p pk against every clan. But when we go out and its just us hunting TBK and saying "AC AC AC" to every other clan it's pretty shit.

Let me know when WG grows up.

Look at it from a leaders point of view.

We can keep walking around doing nothing and running into no one.

Or we can hunt tbk and at least get some action.

If we keep hitting tbk, we get action in the wilderness, and eventually when they relise they have the same numbers as us they might stay and fight.



If people don't want to come, then don't come. But ask yourselves, what are you doing in a pk clan if you arn't going to pk?
 
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Posted: March 28, 2011 10:58 amTop
   
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I dont see why there should be a big fight from everyone, as jayson says we are a pkin clan so why not go pk?
 
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Posted: March 28, 2011 06:31 pmTop
   
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Hunt them if you want, just don't try and act as though you've accomplished something massive when you end their 10 man PK trip.
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 07:37 amTop
   
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I go on the PK trips because there are people in the wilderness with skulls in another clan and I have an opportunity to kill them. I kill them. I enjoy myself and I enjoy the time I spend with you guys. I truly could care less -who- I'm killing as long as it's someone that is also pking (ARPK).
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 09:10 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Jayson March 28, 2011 03:53 am
       
QUOTE: Zooby69  March 28, 2011 04:50 pm
  But when we go out and its just us hunting TBK and saying "AC AC AC" to every other clan it's pretty shit.

Look at it from a leaders point of view.

We can keep walking around doing nothing and running into no one.

Or we can hunt tbk and at least get some action.

But ask yourselves, what are you doing in a pk clan if you arn't going to pk?

What I see Zooby saying is that you are passing up other clans that could be a more suitable fight for WG to hunt TBK?

Maybe, the question should be "What are you doing in an ARPK clan?"

Or maybe it should be "Why are we claiming Anti-Crash to other clans to simply go fight a lvl 70+ clan with only 9 members that could even possibly be our level?"

I think everyone in the clan will agree that if we run into TBK and they are skulled, then WG needs to end their pk trip. But if that isn't how they are found and simply just hunting them and passing up other clans that is different.

I haven't been on any of the TBK hunting trips, but I keep getting the same feedback from members. No one really cares if it is TBK or another clan. They just want to fight the other people that are out skulled and pking.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.”
~~Colin Powell ~~

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Posted: March 29, 2011 09:35 amTop
   
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kudo's rachel, I agree with every statement.
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 11:03 amTop
   
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No one really cares if it is TBK or another clan. They just want to fight the other people that are out skulled and pking.

^ this is what I meant.
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 11:41 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 @ March 29, 2011 06:03 am)
No one really cares if it is TBK or another clan. They just want to fight the other people that are out skulled and pking.

^ this is what I meant.

All I want to do is tank in f2p and barrage people in p2p as long as I can do that I will always be there##
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 01:30 pmTop
   
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I still don't know too much about this, but what bam says is golden. The reason we've survived so long is our mature, honourable attitude. Keeping everything in perspective. We've gotta hold on to it.

WG has had its fair share of idiots thrown out of the door, who throw bricks once they're out. And we've just gotta ignore them. It might look as though they're being malicious, but at the end of the day they're just normal people like the rest of us. Just because its the internet, it doesn't mean you shouldn't treat people with respect.

Like pyro said, we shouldn't feel bad about hunting them if we get a track. Same as any clan. From what I saw from gene's post, as a clan we've done everything right so far, so lets not ruin it. Treat them like any another clan, but with just a bit more caution.

Stay true to what WG stands for, and always cast your mind on what we look like from the outside.
 
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Posted: March 29, 2011 03:17 pmTop
   
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Posted: March 30, 2011 05:52 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Jayson March 28, 2011 03:53 am
       
QUOTE: Zooby69  March 28, 2011 04:50 pm
  But when we go out and its just us hunting TBK and saying "AC AC AC" to every other clan it's pretty shit.

Look at it from a leaders point of view.

We can keep walking around doing nothing and running into no one.

Or we can hunt tbk and at least get some action.

But ask yourselves, what are you doing in a pk clan if you arn't going to pk?

What I see Zooby saying is that you are passing up other clans that could be a more suitable fight for WG to hunt TBK?

Maybe, the question should be "What are you doing in an ARPK clan?"

Or maybe it should be "Why are we claiming Anti-Crash to other clans to simply go fight a lvl 70+ clan with only 9 members that could even possibly be our level?"

I think everyone in the clan will agree that if we run into TBK and they are skulled, then WG needs to end their pk trip. But if that isn't how they are found and simply just hunting them and passing up other clans that is different.

I haven't been on any of the TBK hunting trips, but I keep getting the same feedback from members. No one really cares if it is TBK or another clan. They just want to fight the other people that are out skulled and pking.

We spam AC we when run into other clans like VR and RSD because no matter how much you want a fight, we arn't fighting someone that has about 3 times our numbers.

As a leader I'm not fighting a one sided fight against us because then people die repeatably, don't return, and suddenly I and WG look bad.
 
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