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 Keanu the Historian
Posted: May 27, 2011 09:31 pmTop
   
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communism ftw it would appear
 
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Posted: May 27, 2011 10:10 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Raging Mage2 @ May 27, 2011 02:31 pm)
No thanks, everyone in here has pretty much already said anything I could say already.

just going to +1 this instead of +1ing everyone elses posts
 
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Posted: May 27, 2011 10:27 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Garrett @ May 28, 2011 11:10 am)
QUOTE: Raging Mage2 May 27, 2011 02:31 pm
No thanks, everyone in here has pretty much already said anything I could say already.

just going to +1 this instead of +1ing everyone elses posts

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I'm glad to have Keanu back, I won't deny that, but I do not think that their ever should have been a Historian Rank and I really don't think it should be given back after the TBK issues...
 
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Posted: May 27, 2011 10:34 pmTop
   
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I think this could have been handled with a little more class and subtlety. From what I've gathered through PM it seems more personal than wishing the best for WG. I won't pass any judgment but I have mixed feelings that aren't necessarily personal but based off how I am seeing the clan react to this. I can't help feeling in my gut it could have been handled better.
 
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Posted: May 27, 2011 10:50 pmTop
   
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Didn't we have a massive thing about not showing favoritism not all that long ago.
 
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Best pker + most mature summer awards 2011

Posted: May 27, 2011 11:44 pmTop
   
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I love YOU DZ....I completely agree, it really is a shame.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:04 amTop
   


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i listened to all of it, i have full trust in you gene and will stand by ur side with anything you do. but keanu flammed alot while being tbk/asc, thats the only problem i have with him, if he keeps this rank like i think he will ill help with anything that he needs (if he needs anything)
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:14 amTop
   
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QUOTE: DZ @ May 27, 2011 04:18 pm)
Magic? We need his magic? What is that? You even said yourself that the historian rank is pointless, what the fuck is the point of it and why bring it back in such a controversial manner? You make him sound like a God. I really have nothing against Keanu personally but you make it seem as if we're getting back a key historical figure from WG's past who completely changed us for the better and led us to success, when in reality it's some kiss-ass who, upon founding his own clan, made threats such as "I will fucking end your clan" but yeah lets just toss his ass back into some bullshit rank he got from sucking up. I just don't get it sometimes. I really don't. I think I finally may have lost faith.

This, I don't understand.

Firstly let me 100% disggree with this:
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Money in the bank, Gene is like a child. This is him throwing a temper tantrum to get his way.

If it were true, I would not have opened up discussion.

Back to DZ's response, which is shared by a number of others.
The rank is not pointless. I never said that. It is simply not vital.
It is a bonus that we have.

Between Keanu leaving the first time and now, he's done me no personal favours, so I genuinely and curiously want to know where his current image of kiss-ass is coming from.

I don't want you to lose faith.
I want you to look at my situation and convince me that there's a better option.

The scenario:

WG is on a bleak path going nowhere. Even with Randy staying, getting this old clan into gear is difficult. Keanu presents me with a unique chance. Love him or hate him, there's no denying there's nobody like him. There's also no denying that he loves WG. If drastic changes are not made, we are doomed to stew here in mediocrity.

You have all become so accustomed to comfort, settling down into middle age, that you have forgotten what a risk feels like. WG 3 years ago would not have objected so violently.

You are carrying all his sins around in your pockets, ignoring the merits of having someone this active.

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10 bucks says this'll happen regardless of the negative replies

Immaturity.
Go back to my original post and note my request for courtesy and maturity.
Same goes for your DZ and others I HAVE read. I don't want to be sworn at in this topic.

I want to talk this through and here some reasonable, intelligent debate.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:23 amTop
   
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QUOTE: His_Lordship May 27, 2011 07:14 pm

Immaturity.
Go back to my original post and note my request for courtesy and maturity.

And you would know how to act mature? Private forums are ment to be private and when someone makes a post about it you start talking about it in WG lobby. Your refused to respond to me. You made this stupid thread and as soon as its posted you leave. More than half the members that posted disagree with this. and agian YOUR ALWAYS RIGHT.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:37 amTop
   
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Maybe I don't understand how Keanu is the only hope we have for the future, he is nice enough, but not the only hope.
I do not understand the obession with one person.
WG has never been mediocre, nor is Keanu the only one who loves this place.
Gene, when you say things like that you throw all the loyalty and love people have given back in their faces. It is a little insulting.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:47 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Dorcha3377 @ May 27, 2011 05:37 pm)
Maybe I don't understand how Keanu is the only hope we have for the future, he is nice enough, but not the only hope.
I do not understand the obession with one person.
WG has never been mediocre, nor is Keanu the only one who loves this place.
Gene, when you say things like that you throw all the loyalty and love people have given back in their faces. It is a little insulting.

very insulting.

Keanu in no way shape or form deserves a rank that over powers elite guardian when they put little effort to getting it back, if he loved wg he wouldnt make another clan, he would try to be understandable, He was asked to leave, and when he left we laughed at his leaving topic it was that bad. Even after him leaving, he continued to make a negative impact on our community with the keanu go train jokes and him just being around trying to 1+ people. The Person you see as the biggest positive bubble of positiveness, most of wg sees as a person who doesnt belong.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 12:51 amTop
   
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i agree with garret and it is insulting when your calling him our only hope. How the hell do you know hes our only hope? Try harder. thats our only hope.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:24 amTop
   
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Gene, you're looking at this as a situational decision while everyone else is taking everything with all of the context.

Keanu has been a kiss-ass before, and I don't think anyone that was around during that time can really deny it (although maybe you would because it would strengthen your argument, but I digress). Sure, he might not be doing it now, but exactly how long has he been back?

It's an insult to say so much about a single person. Honestly, if you did this and I were staff, I'd feel shat on and would most likely leave. As a staff I'd give my commitment to a clan and a leader that respected me and valued me, but all this is doing is saying our current staff is incompetent.

He's our only hope, why don't you step down oh gracious leader of ours and let our new found hope take the reigns and lead us to the promise land that is non-mediocrity in video-game land.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:31 amTop
   
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QUOTE: David @ May 27, 2011 10:24 pm)
Gene, you're looking at this as a situational decision while everyone else is taking everything with all of the context.

Keanu has been a kiss-ass before, and I don't think anyone that was around during that time can really deny it (although maybe you would because it would strengthen your argument, but I digress). Sure, he might not be doing it now, but exactly how long has he been back?

It's an insult to say so much about a single person. Honestly, if you did this and I were staff, I'd feel shat on and would most likely leave. As a staff I'd give my commitment to a clan and a leader that respected me and valued me, but all this is doing is saying our current staff is incompetent.

He's our only hope, why don't you step down oh gracious leader of ours and let our new found hope take the reigns and lead us to the promise land that is non-mediocrity in video-game land.

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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:36 amTop
   
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For now Keanu will be a trial guardian until this is resolved. I see he's already been changed.
When I have enough to to read everything you have said I'll post some more.

Kat, +1'ing other peoples' posts won't make me read them twice, and I know you agree with them so it's a bit of a brick in the face lol. Makes you look quite desperate.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:02 amTop
   
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Just gonna put this out there, I tried quite hard for Elite rank, never got it, for someone to get banned and come back after we ended his clan and get elite guardian power is very displeasing.

I support everyone's opinion of this being a silly decision but I do not support the aggresiveness in which you have voiced this.

Keanu has done a lot for WG but so have many other members.

I disagree with the skipping of trial guardian rank, it ranks older members above the new members when everyone who rejoins WG should be an equal, this is what the trial guardian rank represents. It allows fellow trial guardians to bond.

There are a lot of tasks in the trial guardian phase to show that you can maintain activity. 30 post count, 5 events, gear requirements. By skipping these you are allowing possibly inactive people into our community.

I say keanu does his trial rank, proves to us again that he deserves his, however ridiculous, historian rank.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:29 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Zooby69 @ May 27, 2011 11:02 pm)
Just gonna put this out there, I tried quite hard for Elite rank, never got it, for someone to get banned and come back after we ended his clan and get elite guardian power is very displeasing.

I support everyone's opinion of this being a silly decision but I do not support the aggresiveness in which you have voiced this.

Keanu has done a lot for WG but so have many other members.

I disagree with the skipping of trial guardian rank, it ranks older members above the new members when everyone who rejoins WG should be an equal, this is what the trial guardian rank represents. It allows fellow trial guardians to bond.

There are a lot of tasks in the trial guardian phase to show that you can maintain activity. 30 post count, 5 events, gear requirements. By skipping these you are allowing possibly inactive people into our community.

I say keanu does his trial rank, proves to us again that he deserves his, however ridiculous, historian rank.

I agree with this entirely.
However, the Historian rank should be REMOVED.
He can keep track of WG as a regular rank. There's absolutely no need for it.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:42 amTop
   
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You guys honestly have no idea what you're on about, and what's good for you. The system was meant to serve our growth, not the other way round. I am so sad that none of you can see the logic that is clear as day to me. If I'm wrong usually I can sense that there's an alternative approach to things. In this case, I'm convinced I'm right as much as I'm convinced the world is round.

So solid am I in this belief that I now have to decide between this:
Doing what's right and angering the majority, or doing what's wrong and pleasing the majority.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:43 amTop
   
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What system?
The Historian rank? I'm sorry but that's bullshit.
He can keep track of WG as a regular guardian. The entire rank in it's entirety is a ridiculous concept.
I joined before The "System" and Historian rank were implemented and things were fine then.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:49 amTop
   
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No Alain, the system of sending everyone through trial. The system that makes everyone thinks everyone needs to have the same role in the clan. Go from trial up to elite, and nominate for a staff role at the top. It's stale and counterproductive.

I'm making a rank that is well suited to this particular member.

If you had a special trait I wanted to draw upon, you'd get a special rank too.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:51 amTop
   
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Ok, I see the trail guardian thing.
But the "Special" rank borders on favoritism.
If you wanted something to draw from me (Something I was good at or something).
You'd just have to ask me for it instead of making me a special rank.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:55 amTop
   
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This is a rank that requires certain forum accesses, and beside, if you were doing a momentous job for me, with so great a burden, I would want to reward you Alain, with a title.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 04:56 amTop
   
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QUOTE: Russell900 May 27, 2011 04:31 pm
communism ftw it would appear

We are not a democracy. WG has never been run as a democracy. Gene has final say and the clan all knows this. Even myself as the longest serving council has to adhere to the final decisions that Gene makes.

He allows us to run the clan and oversees what we do. We can experiment with little or big changes but ultimately Gene rules over the clan.

I don't get where anyone thinks it is all about a vote or the majority gets their way??? Has it ever been like that in WG? Not in the time I've been here.

All the crazy fuss over this rank for Keanu is a bit insane. Here we are at day 5 or 6 now and still arguing the point? Why? Keanu can graduate in about 8 days and get the rank anyway. You are wasting your time with the battle. It should of been fought at the TS Meeting or posted on the TS Recap. But I didn't see a lot of disagreement then.

Seriously this is rather disturbing to see how willing you are to question Gene's good intentions for the clan. When do you really know him to purposely hurt you guys. I'm not saying he is never wrong. Even I have disagreed with Gene and had our own battles. But at the end of all this, I see a great leader you are beating down for wanting to do what he thinks is going to make WG a better place for all of you to play your game for fun. In fact it is a bit shameful.

Even after reading your protests and reasons, I still believe Keanu is the best person for the Historian Rank. Why wait to give it to him for *8 more days*??? Seriously all this fighting with us, is it worth it in the end? He can post his graduation when he is in the clan two weeks. He agreed to do that before all this insanity even started. Like it was agreed on at the TS meeting. (That people didn't attend and apparently didn't fully read the recap.)




 
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is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.”
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Posted: May 28, 2011 05:00 amTop
   
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Gene, if I'm correct, the forums are based off Invisionfree.
So, if I'm right, you should be able to give him access to Admin CP and do changes without the rank.
And as for getting "payment" for doing something for WG, I wouldn't accept it because why would I take something from a clan I love and respect?
I would rather leave then accept something like that, not because I don't love WG, but because I would feel like I cheated for the rank.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 05:03 amTop
   
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It's not just the changes. I want him to serve a specific role in this clan, just as a forum tech has a specific role or an app manager or an event leader. The rank solidifies that role. He is still bound to the same rules and doesn't get any special treatment as a historian.
 
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