So it's ok for people to keep crying about not being able to fight in a matched opts war when they won't even take some time away from their selfish skilling to help the clan by improving their combat level? I'm not saying for us all to become war freaks and get 120+ cmb, though I wouldn't mind that. Just saying that if you want to fight but keep getting cut due to your level, go train and don't complain if you want to have fun with us in a fight and help us win.
 
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how about if we do a 2/3 fight war we let lower lvls fight 1st then the 2nd fight the higher lvls? the 3rd the best on both sides
 
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So it's ok for people to keep crying about not being able to fight in a matched opts war when they won't even take some time away from their selfish skilling to help the clan by improving their combat level? I'm not saying for us all to become war freaks and get 120+ cmb, though I wouldn't mind that. Just saying that if you want to fight but keep getting cut due to your level, go train and don't complain if you want to have fun with us in a fight and help us win.

1. Skilling isn't selfish.
2. I really don't care that you wouldn't "mind" all of us 120+
3. I wasn't disagreeing with your thoughts on "go train", though your attitude is for a powerhouse clan.

4. If you're such a combat nut, why haven't YOU got 99 prayer?
 
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"Journeys are what brings us happiness,
Not the destination."

~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~

Ok, your point is very clear, and makes alot of sence, the only problem is, theres not that much time before a war, if the other Warlord(s)/Raid Leader(s) were to help out, then yes maybe.

Most of the time, the higher levels are more experienced, as they've probably been around clans more than a lower level. Say a 120 vs a 110 in hitting ratio, I think you'll find the 120 hits near twice as much as the 110 (going by if there flat stats - 90 90 90 etc).

In the future, if I do see a lower level that has alot more experience than a higher level, I will swap them around.

Thanks ~Rob
 
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Good idea but a weekly event? it will take a lot of time, i would only say the matched opts wars should be -+ 5 ppl (or -+10%), will be much easyer, there will be also an adventage for better clan (with more ppl) and also a higher chance for low level cmbs to take part.
 
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Good idea but a weekly event? it will take a lot of time, i would only say the matched opts wars should be -+ 5 ppl (or -+10%), will be much easyer, there will be also an adventage for better clan (with more ppl) and also a higher chance for low level cmbs to take part.

I've said in later posts that this entire idea of mine is open to suggestions. It doesn't have to be weekly, it just seemed like a good base since we seem to have wars weekly, why not have a weekly spot. Like I've already said, it would take enormous amounts of work, so it would be changed to monthly or something of the sort.

Rob - Thanks for saying that. That's all I'm looking for. Just a chance.

Also, can people not start semi-attacking each other? Zhero please just tone down the frustration with the "unwilling" ones. Just remember that dedication comes in many ways and why should one type of dedication be rewards more than others, we're still part of the same clan. Maths, I'm grateful that you see where I'm coming from, but let's not provoke him. It's obvious he wants the clan to flourish in the warring aspect, and nobody can deny that. Let's just keep this toned down so that nobody feels threatened alright?

This is a suggestion, so make some adjustments to my ideas.

Karl - I like your idea, I'll re-read it and make some comments and see if there could be a way to integrate them.
 
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OMG HE WANTS ME TO HATE RS!!!!
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~

Its not about training, but about having fun with your friends. Wars are there to enable WG to move up their ranks and reputation. When karel writes all of it down it sounds complicated but its not complicated at all. Hero, i agree with Maths... WG is not a powerhouse clan, if that is what you want then WG is not the place for you. Your attitude seems to be getting worse each time a war is mentioned.

Im going for that so i can tank better in wars <3
 
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Friend's Forver
The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer

Paz, I think he understands that some people don't have a lot of time on RS. I think his main concern is that some of the people complaining have high total levels indicating that they spend their time on RS training their non-combat skills. However, they they're upset when they're cut.

I can definitely understand his frustration with that, but then again if these members are in fact training their combat skills periodically, then it's all good.
 
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Some people prefer non-combat training... The skills sector was a good example of that. I never wanted to train combat skills yet, i ended up doing it.. At the end of the day not everyone is WAR HUNGRY and prefer to work on the side lines. Think about this before you complain about people not spending time training non combat skills, There are over 27 skills a small minority are combat skills. If people want to spend time training none combat skills then let them, You cannot tell people what to do or what to train, Runescape is supposed to be fun and if people have fun by skilling then so be it. I had amazing fun training my skills... now look at me, 2 skills at 99 and 1 combat skill at 99.
 
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Friend's Forver
The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer

OMG HE WANTS ME TO HATE RS!!!!

Lol Rachel, this would be something that is completely voluntary. I really do not see what there is to hate with the idea, the exp is not unreasonable (it probably will only result in most people gaining two combat lvls) and unlike most training programs is fair to lower lvls by requiring less exp from them than the higher lvls. Many people also enjoy practice events, but the problem is that there are no incentives to attend these events. Not only will it make us better at wars, but it also means that people who would normally get cut from wars have a chance to prove themselves--a lvl 105 graduate would probably get picked over a lvl 110 non-graduate.
 
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So it's ok for people to keep crying about not being able to fight in a matched opts war when they won't even take some time away from their selfish skilling to help the clan by improving their combat level? I'm not saying for us all to become war freaks and get 120+ cmb, though I wouldn't mind that. Just saying that if you want to fight but keep getting cut due to your level, go train and don't complain if you want to have fun with us in a fight and help us win.

1. Skilling isn't selfish.
2. I really don't care that you wouldn't "mind" all of us 120+
3. I wasn't disagreeing with your thoughts on "go train", though your attitude is for a powerhouse clan.

4. If you're such a combat nut, why haven't YOU got 99 prayer?

Until you catch up, don't worry about me.
 
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Some people prefer non-combat training... The skills sector was a good example of that. I never wanted to train combat skills yet, i ended up doing it.. At the end of the day not everyone is WAR HUNGRY and prefer to work on the side lines. Think about this before you complain about people not spending time training non combat skills, There are over 27 skills a small minority are combat skills. If people want to spend time training none combat skills then let them, You cannot tell people what to do or what to train, Runescape is supposed to be fun and if people have fun by skilling then so be it. I had amazing fun training my skills... now look at me, 2 skills at 99 and 1 combat skill at 99.

Yeah, but I guess you guys still don't get what I was saying. All you center on is me trying to promote everyone to train their combat levels. What I'm really saying is, put up or shut up. We shouldn't be picking lower leveled skillers or people who don't want to train their combat to help the clan in a fight, over the more combat oriented player who gives some of his time to help the clan in something that ACTUALLY MATTERS (what I mean by that is Warring and winning wars is really the only way to gain the respect from other clans and be seen as successful within the clan community. I'd rather not have everyone regarding WG as a push over every time someone declares on us, but it's fine by me if you could care less about that and would never want to do anything about it cause it will interfere with your "fun" in RS. Though I cannot imagine how you could ever find something like repetitive clicking of bow strings on unstrung bows, fun.) during a matched opts fight.

And to all those so opposed to training even the tiniest bit. Why in the world did you ever join a Raw ranked clan? Did you not know what Raw means? Rank at WARRING. If we are a part of that list, no matter what you think, a major part of our image is based off of what we achieve in wars. The success of the clan is measured by how well we do on that list. I know not all of you may feel that way, since you "only joined wg cause of the skill sector" blah blah blah, and for the community that WG has.

I'm going to say this. It is not fair of you to take advantage of said community, a community that only exists cause WG was founded for one thing, to protect the weak in the wilderness. That means we ourselves have to be strong. So what if the wilderness is gone and "protectors of the weak" are no longer needed? That is besides my point. I'm saying to start contributing to the clan's success in wars by training whenever you can instead of always cutting your little willow trees or whatever the hell you skill on. Cause fact, it is indeed selfish to do such a thing because that does not benefit the clan in the slightest bit while completely ignoring any request to help out a little by raising your combat a bit. It's like you want the clan to be there at your leisure, the community to be there where you can go in any time and have fun, but you're not going to put in some work when the clan asks you to?

"It's great that WG has an awesome community and great events for me to take advantage of, but no way in hell am I going to train my combat to help out the clan even more in a fight", is what you're saying when you flat out oppose training in a clan that was founded on fighting for the weak. "I won't give anything to the clan but expect everything in return", is what you're saying. "Oh but I make lots of posts in forums and am very active at events, how dare you say I never do anything for the clan" is what you will say. But again I point out, that is nothing more than taking advantage of the clan.

Sorry, but it just ticks me off when people complain about stuff like not being able to fight in a matched opts due to their low combat level. What, you expect the clan to make an exception for you when you yourself won't bother to train up a bit to help the clan out? When all you want to do is show up for things, "have fun a little", then leave and go back to what you were doing for yourself? "Oh but I was binding", and? Take it from me, you don't matter when all you're gonna do is get ko'd due to your low combat level, ie low defense.


In shorter and more plain words for those who are apparently too dense to see what I'm trying to say. Some people don't have time to train, I understand that. Some people hate combat training, I understand that too. But understand this, when you are unwilling to do something you dislike, for the good of the clan, when you're unwilling to give some effort in improving your combat level to help the clan out as a whole, don't cry about it when you get cut from a war. Don't cry when an exception isn't made for you, as if you expected one. Don't come in here and start posting on topics such as this, on how unfair it was to you for always being cut from a war. Yeah sure, you want to fight a war for the fun of it, but so does everyone else including those who put more time than you do into improving their own account to help the clan in a fight. Warring is the more combat oriented player's way of having fun, you already have all of your skilling and fun events, now you expect an exception to be made for you when you don't do nearly as much to contribute to the war side of the clan, over the person who actually does give a damn if we win or lose?

I'll make it simple and plain. Myself and other people like me who want WG to win every fight possible, don't appreciate it when people who would rather spend their time skilling instead of giving some time to help the clan by improving their combat levels, complain about not being able to fight and have fun. You ask to be allowed to fight? Well then, if you're going to ask that of us and are going to fight along side us, we only ask that you do your best to help us and the clan achieve a victory. And yes, that means training your combat. However, if you are unwilling to do so, don't expect us to be all chummy and let you in on a fight over someone who has spent that time to train in order to help the clan in a fight, more than you ever have.

Is doing nothing but training for 1 week straight before a war too much to ask of you? Is gaining 4 or 5 combat levels, really too much to ask of you?

Again, put up, or shut up. And if you still don't get what I'm saying after this post, then you are a lost cause irl and in rs.
 
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