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Posted: August 16, 2008 03:11 am  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6    | Sum, you've said it much better than I could and I appreciate the support, the dedication, the loyalty and the friendship. You're a great person and you deserve to have your family back. Thanks for getting my back. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 03:33 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Do these 'Old School 'declaring' on new school' posts REALLY have to continue? You've offered your help, excellent, good stuff, i personally really appreciate you're willing to put in the effort. Abs said he doesnt need your help in that quote, he doesnt explain why, but Im sure you can now see? Eugene recently announced he is coming back as Founder to help sort things out. Does that not explain things? Abs doesnt need nor want two people added to the 'Founder' rank to BOTH help sort things out. In fact, if two people are steering the helm, things could get messy. It's evidently a case of Abs choosing Eugene over you, Rick. =\ As Eugene has already pointed out on this post, these sort of posts REALLY don't help. What do I mean by these sort of posts you might ask? Well, the posts that are constantly saying 'WG IS DIEING! I SWEAR IT!' and 'You should close now before things get messy'. All I have to say to these 'old school' (who apparently care so much for WG and wouldnt do anything to kill it) is: Do you know the CURRENT wg? Do you know all of the 'new school' (as you might call it)? Is this 'new school' a bunch of evil people who want to kill WG? My answer: NO! All it is is a whole load of new people who you dont know and so automatically extrapolate from that that they are a bad bunch as your WG, the WG you once knew and love, the WG Members who you knew so well have retired. They have hung their hat. The problem as I see it is, the Old school heroes have come to the forums, possibly expecting a hero's welcome, and all of their old friends waving banners welcoming them home etc, and instead been greeted by people who dont know them and to find that few of their 'old school' close friends remain. It seems to me that the 'old school' demand respect from the newer generation for all of the things they have supposedly done in the past (im not doubting their truthfulness)... Well I'm afraid people dont usually respect from rumour. I really am sorry (genuinely) but the reason the newer school dont show you the respect you probably deserve is because they weren't around to see you in your glory days. Instead, the new school just see a bunch of people ranting about this is 'not their WG' and how 'Everythings changed "for the worse"'. You are constantly doubting the newer generation before they get a chance to show themselves for who they truely are. Now as far as the announcement that Eugene is returning in the near future is concerned, i'm extatic. Please don't get me wrong with my above post, I do appreciate the old school in many other ways. Eugene is probably the one person that can be called old school that I have actually gotten to know. He's a great person in my opinion, and a great experienced leader. Hopefully he can lead us to great things, and restore things to how they should be, and push us in the right direction. To sum up my post, I'd like to paste a quote of something I said earlier on IRC. It seemed to sum everything up quite well, and hit the nail on the head:
EDIT: By the way, I'm not too sure if you agree with Eugene about the whole 'These sort of posts REALLY dont help' thing, but if you do agree with him, I'd be more than happy to close this topic/move it to Ex-Staff Forum for you if you wanted. Up to you  If you don't agree with what Eugene said then yeah it should stay by all means. Up to you Rick <3~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:36 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | Just cause you're Old School doesn't give you the right to come in here and tell us what this clan needs. Rick I know what you're capable of you're smart and mature when you want to be but we just can't take that risk right now. This is a totally new generation of RS, I doubt many of the Old Schoolers have played in months. You guys know how to lead a clan, but now how to lead a clan in the current clan world. Clans are more advanced, stronger and at this moment are happier than us. Look dude I'm old school, but no where near as old as you. I don't complain about the old days though, I don't expect respect from the newer generation, I try to earn it. Why should the newer generation be treated any worse or better than old school? We were all members, and you were here during the glory days of WG they stuck it through during our time now, the hard times. I respect everyone equally when it comes to when they joined WG. Rick you may be able to bring this clan life, but if you fail it would be a huge regret and it would be even worse if we failed now. Sure sometimes its worth taking a risk but maybe you should start off as a TRIAL MEMBER and work your way up. Brandon -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:36 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | Mugger, while I do respect you for what you do every day..I honestly think you are missing the entire point of this whole post. It makes me laugh to see some of the things here. There is no thought on my behalf at least ..OMG my old friends are gone! I have been apart of this clan since 2004 and am as appreciative of the newer members as the older ones. There are no favorites between old/new just people in general, I don't judge titles. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:39 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
*huggles Jen* (I contest that that was indeed a constructive addition to this thread and therefore is not spam). --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I agree wholeheartedly with Gene, however, it seems as if someone is missing the point. If WG is so good, as good as you "new" generation perceive it to be, why would Gene feel the need to come back and help fix things? What you're failing to realize is that you're losing more and more members every day. Members that have been here and have seen the changes going on and are not very thrilled with it. We're old school, yes and there's an amount of respect that we, as innovators, feel we've earned, only to see us get ridiculed and threatened whenever we hint negativity towards the clan as it now stands. Abs is a good kid...yes, kid. He can't even be around for the clan and lead now, what makes you think that he'll be around more often once school is back in session? It's absurd to think that he will. Take nothing away from him, he had his shot and he dropped the ball...through no fault of his own either. There are many others to "blame", if you will, for this ultimate failure. It's not entirely his fault and I didn't mean it to sound as if it was. There are entirely too many leaders here that don't lead. There are high ranking members here that think they're above everyone, there are high ranking members that think they can treat others disrespectfully, there are members here that don't do anything but complain, there are others that lock posts for no other reason but to show they can. All these are problems and problems that I hope Gene will address when he takes back the reins and begins the painstaking task of regrouping the clan. I'm behind him 100%. Something needs to be done and not because we "old" schoolers think so, it's because what we see, what we read on a daily basis, warrants some kind of changes and there's nobody here willing to do that right now. I would like for you to keep this open if it's okay. There's no flaming, just people voicing opinions which is vital at this stage of the game. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:46 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
I don't think I'm missing the entire point of the post, the point is that Rick's help was refused, and that we should 'lie in the bed we've made' or w/e. However, yes I use this post to Address other posts. I admit after the first paragraph I go off the main topic of this thread, but i do this to mention what i think needs mentioning regarding the recent tidal wave of 'old school' posts flooded across these forums. Ridiculous I, Ridiculous II, Ridiculous III, Ridiculous IV, End on a High, Comon' get shit together now, Cut the Crap, Ahhh, feels good to be back. (To name a few). To sum that up, I did indeed use this post to address all of the above posts at once  ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 04:48 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Hehe of course it's ok I just thought i'd put it on the table incase you were thinking of asking for it due to Eugene's reply to the topic I wouldn't dream of locking it trying to claim it was flame baiting or w/e lol  -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 05:09 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rai|James Group: Ex-Member Posts: 412 Member No.: 118 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Old....New... what the hell does it matter? I'm sick of seeing people trying to say is Ex-WG against New WG. Past versus Present. It's got nothing to do with that! Every single person that cares, even a little about this Clan wants the same thing, so why can't you all stop bickering like a bunch of little school kids and work together to make a plan that just may save WG from it's impending doom? (Sorry, I always wanted to say impending doom.) Look...Ricks right, and Mugger is right. Old and New can help each other evaluate the problems in WG right now, and they can sure as hell find ways to fix it. Goddamn it I just want to know that we can be what we used to be, but if you cannot get past your petty differences then nothing good will ever come out of WG again! All of you "New blood" stop being pompous and acting like you don't need help. EVERYONE needs help at certain times. None of you are an exception. And to the rest of the oldies out there, stop acting like you know whats best for the Clan right now. Things have changed, and no matter how much you wish you could go back to how you did things in your time, it won't fix whats happening right now. (This coming from a vet, so don't think I'm taking any sides.) Once again this is why we need to work together. This is a family guys...stop trying to tear it apart. -------------------- The Truth Is – Everyone is going to hurt you. You just have to decide who’s worth the pain.  Ex-Moderator Ex-DG Leader Ex-Council | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 05:20 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | exactly what I was saying Rai..there is no old or new to me..just WG. WE must work together to get past this. This will be our biggest hurdle, the fight within. Wake up and smell the coffee. We aren't enemies people. We are a family. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 11:20 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Flame_Reece Group: Emeritus Posts: 626 Member No.: 133 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | Since i'm hungover at...8pm lol but i really want to make an input here. I changed this post i made a while ago to make it try fit to this topic. Some parts of this may be a bit out of date and not affect this topic at hand, so yeah just a warning . 5 years ago, Was well, the oldest WG. 4 years ago, was old WG with a growing member base. 3 years ago, was semi-old WG, and you know what was said 3 years ago? "Blah blah i missed old WG" 2 years ago, a newer generation of WG, and you know what was said "I miss the old WG from a year ago" Yet, the year that they say they dearly missed, was also the year that they complained as well. Wilderness Guardians... there is always going to be an endless cycle of ups, downs, memories. The people who now come onto the forums and talk as if WG is dead, well guess what, it's not, no matter how grim things look it isn't dead. But there is always going to be people like this, different generations will complain how WG was better in this time, that time etc. Sure it could have been better in the past AT TIMES, but honestly, it's like saying "Wow i missed the grade 8 days" when in grade 10, then you're in grade 12 you'll say "Wow i missed the grade 10 days" then you hit the real world and you'll say "Wow i miss school and mates". There is always going to be things to cling onto, and keep, but there is also things that need to be let go, because there is no going back. What annoys me is the people who come prancing around in the forums and their topics who act like being labled old-school, is a privilege to act like a complete dickhead, then you get people inside the clan circle jerking saying "Oh but his way old school lolololol it's ok for him/her to act like that". Old school members have a right to be here with us supporting and helping as a family, but they shouldn't have the right, actually no one should have the right to publically tear down the image that is trying to be repaired. There is some elements that CAN be brought back, but there is others that just need to be let go. I welcome anyone with open arms who is willing to WG at this point in time, and at first, even though how much i do actually respect you Rick, and i do. When i first read that you wanted to come back as a position of power, I at first disagree'd, then reading on further someone mentioned that case of Tmal and it really did strike me and my first thoughts of you in a position of power. And to be honest i now welcome the idea but i also don't want this to end up the same way as Tmal leaving. And i know how some of the old schoolers feel, hell, yes it does hurt when people don't recognise you or what you did, even when the old schoolers don't recognise me due to the fact i was never in a major position of power while i was an active member of WG, and it really does make me think about what have i really done in WG. But i got over that a year ago when i first went inactive, it still hurts but i don't display publically my feelings because i know it isn't helping anyone at all at this point in time. /end Any questions to what i just said feel free to go ahead because it is a bit scattered and even off the main topic, but yeah. -------------------- - Going MIA 31/03/2011 - - Avid-Gamers Unit - | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 11:50 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Why not give Rick a shot? He is a very cool, experienced guy and I think he could do alot of good for WG alongside Lordy. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 12:42 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Basically guys, the reason why I declined Rick's offer was that he hasn't been in Wg for what? A good 2-3 years. He doesn't know how much the clan has changed within that time to get used to it within 2-3 weeks and start making Council decisions. He's requesting from the Council basically a promotion from Guest Rank to Council member rank. No application, no election, no campaign. I considered your "Offer" Rick, however I asked the Council and they sided with me too. I agree, bringing Tmal back was a very bad idea, and look where that got us. If you guys read, Eugene said on his thread a few pointers of how to improve Wg, how you guys "Miss" the old Community, even though we are the same community, Eugene put down "Less Punishment" and Rick is offering "Harsher Punishment" on the plate, banning anyone who steps out of line. Guys, It was a decision me & the Council had to make, please have faith within the Leadership of this decision, we didn't take the risk of having Rick back. Also, to the people who feel I may have not done anything, my excuse for that is that in the Holidays I go out more on family occasions, friends, special events, more than School Days lol. Well anyway, me and the Council have been doing stuff and we are going to do more: -Application & Mentor System is up, this ensures that we get good members who don't flame as well as monitoring their activity for their first steps. -We have reduced punishment A BIT, Well, Personally, I have, I agree with Eugene that there should be a bit more laughs and fun around here, the only thing stopping us is members complaining about it. -Council Elections coming up to decide on 2 new Council. -We're listening to your suggestions and taking them in, we've removed ourselves from the CWPL and made a Skills war, brought back Skill of the week, along with other Skill awards. -Summer Awards is back. -We have a Warning Appeal system which values your opinion as a member. -We even introduced a Staff Forum thanks to Tmal, which is the pathway of communication between Ex-Wg & Wg. -Our Attendance system is better than ever monitoring Event Activity so that we can check if people our inactivity continuously, you guys were complaining up and down about how many inactives we have. -Less Wars to make our Community better, the extra Raid Leader was just to fill in the AEST/EST Gap for Training War sessions, as they introduce war tactics to Trial Guardians. This may remain open. Carry on humiliating me, I made this decision because it was the right one, please remember that. ~Abs P.S. Karl, your post summed up EXACTLY what I'm trying to say. Thanks. --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 03:48 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Nice speech  That's all I'm going to say at this point. This can be closed because as usual, Rick's wrong and don't know what he's talking about. I just wish you were as open with me as you were with Tmal. Guess WG has changed afterall. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: August 16, 2008 03:55 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Closed on author's request -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
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