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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:27 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 01:16 pm)
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The tank practice IS TO HELP NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER WARRED BEFORE and to teach them how to tank and war in general.
Making wars mandatory = more people come = higher chance of winning.


if you read down i did offer what i saw would be a filling replacement for this.

Also I know Jess snipes i also Do it sometimes however that makes 2 people who are not raid leaders who snipe etc others should get the chance.

I also did not state we allow some1 who does not have TS to lead us in a proper war ....

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Having 10 people piling you teaches you to tank? Having 40+ does, not 10. Our current tanking practice is very to the point which makes it good, the only fault being the attendance.


Ok well i can understand that somewhat but the way we are doing it IS NOT working hench the attendance Im trying to offer something that people will Attend i dont see you coming up with anything just killing my suggestion since your so great what do you propose we do Geoff ?

 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:28 pmTop
   
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@Geoff: Thats true, people without TS leading would cause problems.

What I ment is that we should let different people other than the usual Raid leaders + few others lead and snipe in Practices and Interclans

Why you may ask?

Suppose we're in an official war with over 50 people on each side, it got down with to 20vs22 or something with all council, raid leaders, and the usual snipers dead, it is in these moments that we would need people to step up, lead and snipe, this is where the different people sniping/leading in practices pay off.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting our usual snipers and raid leaders skills, I'm saying that if everyone is prepared to do all such things, it'd help us in times where we are in need of someone to lead/snipe
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:29 pmTop
   
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There's a simple thing called naked-apart-from-rune-scimmy wars
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:38 pmTop
   
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I also did not state we allow some1 who does not have TS to lead us in a proper war ....


Did I say TS? I said mic. Learn to read please instead of flaming me to learn to read.

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Ok well i can understand that somewhat but the way we are doing it IS NOT working hench the attendance Im trying to offer something that people will Attend i dont see you coming up with anything just killing my suggestion since your so great what do you propose we do Geoff ?


I suggest this thread be deleted and the idea forgotten. ©


 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:44 pmTop
   
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@Mike

I agree with what you say. They are wise ideas but I guess we would have to take the risk in implementing this idea in actual wars seeing as our practices don't pull enough people. Maybe some wars against TDM would be good?

This post has been slightly edited to remove a flame(bait). ~Mugger84
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:45 pmTop
   
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Topic locked for a clean-up. Topic will be re-opened in a few minutes.

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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:53 pmTop
   
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Topic unlocked. Cut out the useless flaming. It just irritates people >.<

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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:55 pmTop
   
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Posted: September 1, 2008 01:57 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 02:55 pm)
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:00 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Mugger84 @ September 01, 2008 09:57 am)
QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 02:55 pm)
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/me cries because Mugger locked the topic before he could make his "Shut up and stop flaming" speech.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:08 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Pbplayer9 @ September 01, 2008 02:00 pm)
QUOTE (Mugger84 @ September 01, 2008 09:57 am)
QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 02:55 pm)
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/me cries because Mugger locked the topic before he could make his "Shut up and stop flaming" speech.

Vince this is WG
You will get a chance to do it in a few days... hours.. oh fine minutes happy.gif
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:21 pmTop
   
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Ok so anymore suggestions ?
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:25 pmTop
   
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I'm sorry to say but i agree with Andrew on this. Some people DO NOT like to war, for example... I am 118 f2p cmb yet im not active in wars because i don't like them, you cannot force people to do what they do not want! TDM have done a great job at this and it has worked. Change is good, and it's for the best. Most clans these days also go on skilling requirements as there are still ways to support the clan!

So before you start flaming, being abussive or just being a plain dick to others think about what this clan needs. It has been said to NOT be a warring clan! Yet i see minor aspects of skilling all over the place.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:44 pmTop
   
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What you said is true Simon, we're not a warring clan. But with such a small amount of people in the clan, splitting the clan into the old Sectors(I know this wasn't the suggestion, but it is essentially the same aspect) is not what we need.

If you moved all the people who LIKE wars to a different memberlist, that memberlist would have...20 people on it. Maybe less. What does this show other people about WG?

Not good things. Definitely not good things.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:52 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Pbplayer9 @ September 01, 2008 02:44 pm)
What you said is true Simon, we're not a warring clan. But with such a small amount of people in the clan, splitting the clan into the old Sectors(I know this wasn't the suggestion, but it is essentially the same aspect) is not what we need.

If you moved all the people who LIKE wars to a different memberlist, that memberlist would have...20 people on it. Maybe less. What does this show other people about WG?

Not good things. Definitely not good things.

Most people like to war these days but there are still skillers who like to skill over fight, At the end of the day the memberlist will be used for CWPL wars or Raw rank wars not for normal wars. For example i can tolerate a certain amount of fun wars but when it comes to CWPL and Raw, people's attitudes change, people become more snappy. The seperate memberlist for these types of wars show others that we have an active Warring team, As more people join and want to join the the memberlist will grow making WG create there once tarnished name once again.

Skillers support the clan, they are there to have fun, not a serious group of people but like to be apart of the clan community through support. Even though the trade window is in it still does not mean that skillers are dead and cannot help in-fact they can help more now that the GE is around as you now have a way to know that you will recieve the items needed at a small price.

I still think the skilling requirements should be bought back in and we should have a choice to be either in the Community OR the active Warring part of the clan. For example if you go to any work place you normally have things running along side the job's community to better people.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:53 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Karel Dude @ September 01, 2008 07:58 am)
Firstly, the basic principle of most runescape clans is to bond, to war together. If people really wanted to join a clan and skill (which is pretty pointless) they would join a skilling clan. Not the "Wilderness Guadians"
If anyone else was here at time of the sectors, they will know how miserably it failed. Constant division and conflict between the sectors, about all sorts of little things. It was like having two clans in one, trying, forced to be together.

Secondly, what good would come out of a separate warring list? If people join WG and are not bothered to spend time to help their clan, then seriously, WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT?

Ok, now again, why exactly would we need a skilling sector now? Already stated, it creates conflict and division, and demolishes the community. Why would a skiller join WG?

I think I've wasted enough time so I won't say anymore. Thank me for that.

Seriously though, this will go nowhere and if it did, then shit this clan is screwed

I think this post by Karel says alot and directs it at people like me. Only recently have I worked my but off to become lvl 100. Everyone knows I don't like war but yet I have attended quite a bit of them imo. Might even average out to like 3 a month.

I've been with the clan for 7 months, I came in as a skiller with high enough total level, 99 in a stat with 90+ in an accompanying stat. Because of my lvl I have been treated differently by alot of people til they get to know me. I excuse bad behavior and thy to be cheerful all the time. I went to my first war when one of the guys asked me along and assured me it was fine if I got KO. I wasn't even good at falling in on the leader. They kept asking me and I kept going cause I liked the people. I always knew I'd be first to be KO. Now I am usually 2nd or 3rd to be KO. But slightly better. How many of WG have at last minute been able to get rune armor, rune skimmy, or swordies from me. I've even bought an item p2p with the intention of loaning it out. Still I'm stinky at wars.

With Karel saying what he thinks makes me wonder if I've just made a mistake. I thought I was part of the community and seems I just may be dragging you all down. I think basically put I'm screwing the clan. I'm going to have to really think before posting goodbye cause I know it will be for good. I wont meet the requirements to even get back in.

Don't flame Karel or Joel they only were brave enough to post what so many think and won't say. Thanks for making me aware.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:57 pmTop
   
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/me senses the guilt trip

You know you're not 'dragging' the clan down so don't put that.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 02:58 pmTop
   
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I understand where you are coming from Rachel, Your post goes for all skillers,
including me. Kinda bad that people think that skillers are pointless. WG was a skiller clan at one time, i guess we don't have a future unless we do something we hate.

Geoff she is stating her opinion, not giving anyone a guilt trip. You posted what you wanted and she did not bait you, so why do it to her when she told others to not flame you? Skillers feel like a burden now because everyone thinks its WAR WAR WAR, when it has been told plenty of times that this is not what WG stands for.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 03:02 pmTop
   
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Rachel is an epic member, she is the most friendliest in the clan by a long way. I've never seen her anything but happy and bubbly. A member like that never can nor will drag a clan down.

And I didn't mean to bait if it came off that way.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 03:03 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 03:02 pm)
Rachel is an epic member, she is the most friendliest in the clan by a long way. I've never seen her anything but happy and bubbly. A member like that never can nor will drag a clan down.

Agreed,

but this is not about individual members, so lets get this back on topic.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 03:57 pmTop
   
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Simon, it's not exactly successful, all what it did is give those who like to war a new ML and their own wars, the skillers felt left out tbh, I know as I've been in TDM for about 8 months or so.

BTW, They have no skillers ML, nor do they have a skill of the week or anything similar. Their skilling events is like 4 max per month?

Skillers get more here than in TDM tongue.gif, the skilling war we had with TDM was their first skilling war too.
 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 03:58 pmTop
   
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We had one problem when having a skilling sector and a fighting sector, people argue and create enemies causing unneeded drama.

Even if you're not creating sectors, people still argue over skilling and fighting

Doing this almost creates 2 different clans, I for one don't support this, you may say "Your just saying that because you're the Warlord", you know maybe I am, but I'm saying this for the well being of WG.


 
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Posted: September 1, 2008 04:21 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 01, 2008 08:16 am)
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My reasoning is when new people join the Wilderness guardians and see us war they are intimidated. This is because they are new to the concept of wars and warring. The last thing they need is to be shoved straight into a war within Wg and be told they must tank because they may not know how to do it or may be nervous and mess up this would make them feel bad within the clan i know this as i have been there myself and i just think less pressure should be made upon wars we need them yes but only if they want to it should not be mandatory to attend any event always optional.


The tank practice IS TO HELP NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER WARRED BEFORE and to teach them how to tank and war in general.
Making wars mandatory = more people come = higher chance of winning.

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<Rage|Mike> I think people other than raid leaders should lead and snipe sometimes

So we should have more different people have the opportunity to try this out


Jess isn't a raid leader yet she snipes.
If the council think you are good enough to lead they will promote you. Simple as. We don't want someone who doesn't have a mic trying to lead. It would cause havoc.

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The idea is this we all sign up and form teams for a number of small interclan wars solely for bragging rights. So we form up teams of around 10 people hopefully and we take say 4 - 5 good tanks and 4 - 5 lesser tanks. This is so we can help these people to improve as the best way to improve is to war. It would be run as a league and then we could do it over a number of seasons see whos the best overall and give underbanners to the winning team. Obviously there wont be enough leaders for all teams so people will be required to step up and maybe a twist like you cant have the same leader for 2 fights in a row so everyone has a chance.


Having 10 people piling you teaches you to tank? Having 40+ does, not 10. Our current tanking practice is very to the point which makes it good, the only fault being the attendance.

Yeah i snipe..

I have an idea about sniping. But i'm not sure anyone would actually be bothered to read it, so i'm not bothering typing it out.
 
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