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Posted: September 27, 2008 01:37 pmTop
   
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I'm sorry but i agree with Lordy, no matter his account is banned so people cannot use his account at wars.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 01:54 pmTop
   
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I see both sides to this, but really a hall of shame account doesn't belong at our wars. I just makes us look bad. Like we took back someone that was not a good clan mate. For me this issue is not about the Jagex rules as much as it is about reputation.

Wayne was right on everyone of his posts. I agree with him. Account sharing is probably the rule broke most often. Anyone that never let anyone watch their acct at their house or have someone else on it? I'm sure the percentage is low, but that doesn't mean it is not against the rules.

TBH I was most surprised at staff and their comments. I usually respect their views, but this time I would be questioning motive. How important is winning to you? Willing to cheat? Willing to cross our founder's comman sense?


 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 02:13 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Geoff_Bland @ September 27, 2008 01:12 pm)
Amen Zlatan83.

Paz should be allowed to war on Parth until his new account meets the requirements. It's the same story with Gus; people such as Andrew and Dilz let him use their account til his new account gets 100 cmb.

Yeah but im not on the WG hall of shame am i and i was the 1 who originally stated it looks bad to have a name on our hall of shame turning up to our wars but no1 listened to me ...
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 02:26 pmTop
   
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It's only temporarily til Pazenon gets his other account trained.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 03:50 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 27, 2008 12:28 pm)
I honestly couldn't help but laugh at the second portion of your argument, I'll quote it again:

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But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Sure using a high leveled account is helpful during a war. Sure I want to win every war we go into. Do I want to be a cheater? No.

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I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Condensed version:

"Winning is everything, rules are meaningless."

And by your "If it helps WG, breaking Jagex rules is alright" mantra, let's start hacking other people's accounts and then BH transfer all the money and items to our accounts.

And how is it considered "cheating" when you use your account in wars? Surely you should've picked up by now that I, and only I, am the one in control of Parth's account, who quit this game more than a year ago? You referred to some Jagex rule in one of your posts, which states that "Each account should only be used by ONE person." Which is basically what you're arguing about here.

You should've read my posts thoroughly and came up with the idea that it's only me who's in control of Parth's account now before quoting some Jagex rule which I'm not breaking. And I myself couldn't help but laugh at the last portion in your post, how could you possibly compare hacking accounts to something like that? Big difference my friend, big difference.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 04:06 pmTop
   
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Pazenon we will speak in private.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 04:11 pmTop
   
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The question here is that if Paz isn't allowed to use Parths acc, then is Gus allowed to use mine at wars?

You need to take into account that:

1) I am not in the hall of shame
2) It helps in wars when I cannot make it.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 04:30 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Kingrandy0 @ September 27, 2008 04:45 am)
Ok, I think what Pazenon is trying to say is,
a name is just a name.

Now, it's who is under that name that matters.
Path32 Jani now has nothing to do with Parth23 Jani.

Account selling and scamming is against the rules, but neither has been preformed. If the account has been given righteously as a gift, than he has every right to use it. I do not know the original owner of Parth, but as long as someone trusted is using it then it's ok.

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Posted: September 27, 2008 04:35 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Pazenon @ September 27, 2008 04:50 pm)
QUOTE (1colonel1 @ September 27, 2008 12:28 pm)
I honestly couldn't help but laugh at the second portion of your argument, I'll quote it again:

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But just think, by doing that, would you be helping WG? Isn't using a high leveled account considered something to help WG with? If you ask me, I'd say yes. I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Sure using a high leveled account is helpful during a war. Sure I want to win every war we go into. Do I want to be a cheater? No.

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I personally couldn't care less if I broke a Jagex rule which in consequence helped my clan win a war.


Condensed version:

"Winning is everything, rules are meaningless."

And by your "If it helps WG, breaking Jagex rules is alright" mantra, let's start hacking other people's accounts and then BH transfer all the money and items to our accounts.

And how is it considered "cheating" when you use your account in wars? Surely you should've picked up by now that I, and only I, am the one in control of Parth's account, who quit this game more than a year ago? You referred to some Jagex rule in one of your posts, which states that "Each account should only be used by ONE person." Which is basically what you're arguing about here.

You should've read my posts thoroughly and came up with the idea that it's only me who's in control of Parth's account now before quoting some Jagex rule which I'm not breaking. And I myself couldn't help but laugh at the last portion in your post, how could you possibly compare hacking accounts to something like that? Big difference my friend, big difference.

Surely you could have read this little snippet:

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You may not sell, transfer or lend your account to anyone else


Parth23 Jani originally belonged to the person who created it. He then transferred it to you.

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You may NOT sell, TRANSFER or lend your account to anyone else


It's a matter of principle. You brought in the whole idea that using another person's account is for the better of WG. Hacking some rich person and giving the money to our members also benefits WG. You obviously didn't pick up on the face I wasn't saying they were the same thing, but that based on your mantra:

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If it benefits WG, it's alright.


Hacking and transferring items should be alright.

The principle of the act is the same.

I'll lay it out side by side:

Situation we're dealing with:

You are using Parth23 Jani, an account you recieved from another person.
You're breaking WG rules and JaGeX rules.
You're arguing that it's alright because it's not a big deal, and it benefits WG.

My hypothetical situation based on your mantra:

We hack rich people and transfer their items to our accounts.
We're breaking WG rules and JaGeX rules.
I'm arguing, that based on your philosophy, this should be alright because it benefits WG.

The use of an extreme case is to show that what you're doing could be applied to other, more serious things, where people could say:

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It's making WG better isn't it?

 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 10:44 pmTop
   


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QUOTE (Zlatan83 @ September 27, 2008 07:37 am)
LOL, you guys being serious?

Pazenon is a member of WG.
Pazenon uses Parth's account for wars.

If Pazenon wont be allowed to attend on that account then I will share my account with Pazenon and fucking make a rant for every person who gets on diffrent account.

You said it right there.

PAZENON is in WG. PARTH isn't. Therefore, it would seem to me that he should be on HIS account (Pazenon) and not any other. One person isn't going to win or lose a war, contrary to popular opinion.

I say if Parth is in the Hall of Shame, that's where he stays.

I swear, if I go to another war and see Parth or Zlatan there, I WILL report them for account sharing. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I have nothing to lose, are you sure you want to lose yours?

Majority of people in this clan play with their own account, an account that they're proud of, an account that they worked hard leveling. What you're doing is smacking each of them in the face by using an account that you did little or no work to level.

There are quite a few people who posted on this thread that I'm very disappointed in. Colonel and Wayne, I'm with you 100%.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 11:25 pmTop
   
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Rick that would be extremely low if you reported your own clan.

Now on a different note, leaders of this clan have lent out accounts for wars. I have been asked in the past to share my account.. I think it's acceptable for Paz to use Parth's account for wars, after all, as it's already been said Paz is Paz, not parth.

Ban parth, but don't stop Paz from using his account there's been no problem with it and if you report him I will have no respect for anyone who does.
 
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Posted: September 27, 2008 11:34 pmTop
   


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QUOTE (Buzzard1985 @ September 27, 2008 06:25 pm)
Rick that would be extremely low if you reported your own clan.

Now on a different note, leaders of this clan have lent out accounts for wars. I have been asked in the past to share my account.. I think it's acceptable for Paz to use Parth's account for wars, after all, as it's already been said Paz is Paz, not parth.

Ban parth, but don't stop Paz from using his account there's been no problem with it and if you report him I will have no respect for anyone who does.

They're breaking the rules and continue to do it just so we can MAYBE win a war? Who's more shallow...the person who reports wrongdoing or the person who is breaking the rules and KNOWS they're doing it? Besides, Parth isn't a clanmate, now is he? I wouldn't technically be reporting a clanmate now would I?

TBH, I don't care what anyone thinks. I told you what I'd do and I plan to stick to that. Someone has to do it because if I don't, it's going to keep on getting worse. Well, maybe I won't report it to Jagex, maybe just make a topic on RSC and see how the other clans like it? I wouldn't go to that extreme to cause embarrassment to WG, however, if it gets out that we're allowing account sharers to our clan for war purposes only, we'll get crucified.

So why not just disallow these sort of things now before it gets out of hand?

I don't care about losing respect for doing what I feel and know is right.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 01:35 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Rick Hamm @ September 27, 2008 06:34 pm)
QUOTE (Buzzard1985 @ September 27, 2008 06:25 pm)
Rick that would be extremely low if you reported your own clan.

Now on a different note, leaders of this clan have lent out accounts for wars. I have been asked in the past to share my account.. I think it's acceptable for Paz to use Parth's account for wars, after all, as it's already been said Paz is Paz, not parth.

Ban parth, but don't stop Paz from using his account there's been no problem with it and if you report him I will have no respect for anyone who does.

They're breaking the rules and continue to do it just so we can MAYBE win a war? Who's more shallow...the person who reports wrongdoing or the person who is breaking the rules and KNOWS they're doing it? Besides, Parth isn't a clanmate, now is he? I wouldn't technically be reporting a clanmate now would I?

TBH, I don't care what anyone thinks. I told you what I'd do and I plan to stick to that. Someone has to do it because if I don't, it's going to keep on getting worse. Well, maybe I won't report it to Jagex, maybe just make a topic on RSC and see how the other clans like it? I wouldn't go to that extreme to cause embarrassment to WG, however, if it gets out that we're allowing account sharers to our clan for war purposes only, we'll get crucified.

So why not just disallow these sort of things now before it gets out of hand?

I don't care about losing respect for doing what I feel and know is right.

Rick, it's a game, if you want to waste your time worrying about people using other peoples accounts while the person using the accounts (for wars) trains their own account up to requirements then be my guest. But I honestly think you have better things to do with you life than to do that.


 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 02:07 amTop
   
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From the previous topic on RuneScape rules, I think we pretty much came to the conclusion that there are 1) rules that are between players and Jagex, and 2) rules that impact the entire clan due to the actions of even a single member. Whether you're for or against account sharing, this is definitely a number two.

Because of that, the clan has to come to a decision concerning the rule and how it will be upheld. And that means Eugene's word is law (given room for fair debate and criticism). Most irresponsible behavior doesn't fall under the clan purview, but this does, and a decision has been made. We can debate it, but you can't question Eugene's right to make the decision the way he has.

So, debate, sure. But don't expect this to be decided by majority vote.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 02:21 amTop
   
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Rick, I still don't understand why you cherish the Jagex rules to that extent. There would be absolutely no point in arguing with you. Think what you want to think, and I'll do the same.

I really hope that what you said about reporting your clanmates for account sharing isn't true, but I swear, I wouldn't give a damn if you did it to me. I'm not sharing this account with any other person. So do whatever makes you happy.
 
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Paze, have you read Jagex rules? I'm sure it's been posted here already that while you may not be guilty of account sharing, it's still the fact that you have Parth's account and that it was GIVEN to you illegally.

You may not sell, TRANSFER, or lend your account to anyone else. Parth's account was transferred to you, therefore, making it against the rules. Sugarcoat it all you want, you're still guilty.

Oh, and it's true...reminding you that you've been warned. What you do now is up to you.

Buzz, it's the principle of it and the fact that these kids think they can do what they want anytime they want because there will be no recourse. If I have to make an example out of someone, then so be it. I'd rather it not come to that, but if it does, I'll be more than happy to oblige. Maybe he should spend his time working on his own character instead of using someone elses for something as meaningless as a war. You're right, it's a game, but a game that a majority of people play by the rules...why should some not have to?
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 02:56 amTop
   
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I already made it clear that I am training an account to make it reach the WG requirements, doing it whenever I am online.

Just leave it as it is, because I can assure you that whatever you say on this topic wouldn't be the reason for me to stop using Parth. I still don't see the point of the ignorance you naturally have when you expect everything to be done the way you want to be done, it's like you think you're never wrong in a debate because, after all, every other person in WG is a "kid" like you just said.

Maybe it should be looked at the other way around.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:07 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Rick Hamm @ September 27, 2008 09:36 pm)
Buzz, it's the principle of it and the fact that these kids think they can do what they want anytime they want because there will be no recourse. If I have to make an example out of someone, then so be it. I'd rather it not come to that, but if it does, I'll be more than happy to oblige. Maybe he should spend his time working on his own character instead of using someone elses for something as meaningless as a war. You're right, it's a game, but a game that a majority of people play by the rules...why should some not have to?

Their using Parth for wars only, and they are training another account for WG's requirements, why can't you just forget it :s..
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:20 pmTop
   
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This is getting beyond a joke. Let me get this straight, they use Parth's account because THEIR Account is shit? Looks like no one read's these post's Lordy.

I hate parth, so naturally i don't want to see his account at a War after everything he did and said to me. Just by looking at a name can remind plenty of people about the past, and i would rather not remember that past.

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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:23 pmTop
   
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I gave him permission myself.
Pazenon has assured me William has no access to Parth23 Jani.
So the account is 100% Pazenon's and therefore safe.
 
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Well Gene, you've made your decision which, in turn, has made mine.

So we're going to turn a blind eye to rulebreakers only when it helps the clan win wars. How nice.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:38 pmTop
   
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Don't be so patronizing.
I consider it to be rude.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:38 pmTop
   
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since when has wg ever followed wg rules rick? Have of wg gets there member ship paid by other members in wg lul.

Chillax.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 03:39 pmTop
   
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I will post the official stance of the leadership in an IA shortly.
 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 04:36 pmTop
   
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Issue solved.

Gene and the Council have once and for all made their position on Jagex rule-breaking clear:

http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=6259

Read the topic above and let there never be any more drama because of this.

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