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Posted: October 20, 2008 05:47 pm  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6    | But if they're not skulled, they're NOT pking and there's nothing you can say that will make it so. If they were pking, they'd be skulled. Perhaps they're waiting for a pker...a SKULLED pker, to attack them. That doesn't make them a pker. This clan has ALWAYS had the mindset that no skull, no kill. If we deter from this, we're no better than the actual pkers who we dedicated alot of time and energy into killing over the years. Unskulled is innocent as far as we're concerned and our motto is "We are the shield of the innocent". -------------------- | ||||
Posted: October 20, 2008 06:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
You've evidently not been to Varrock West P2P PvP  Might be worth doing so if you want the true mindset for replying here XDPeople in certain armour choices are indeed PKing, but choosing not to skull. People can be not skulled, and yet be PKing. Ever been on a PK trip, and not been skulled? You'd be a liar had you said no, as you start off not skulled. -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: October 20, 2008 06:46 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Angus0000 Group: Emeritus Posts: 705 Member No.: 572 Joined: May 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 128 | I can't really speak for P2P pking, but as far as F2P goes, wearing rune doesn't mean someone's pking. It's fairly cheap armor that has low reqs to wear, so plenty of people who skill wear it for protection. Attacking someone just because they're wearing rune is like arresting someone for a bank robbery just because they look suspicious. However, I won't argue with anyone on P2P pking. A) I don't have any experience with it, and  it's so fast-paced that sometimes pre-emptive action is necessary. Turn your head for a second, and there goes 3M in gear. This isn't the case on F2P worlds, so we have time to sort out our targets. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: October 20, 2008 09:22 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Yes, I've been to Fally, Varrock, Lumby, Al Kharid...all those places on PvP P2P worlds and while some might not be skulled, we simply can't automatically assume that they're there pking. NO SKULL = NO ATTACK. That should really be the bottom line. If they have no skull as you say, then how do you know they're pking? Yes, I've been to a clan event where I didn't skull, yet I was there to pk, however, I'm not labeled a pker unless you see the skull over my head which PROVES so. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: October 20, 2008 10:07 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | I completely agree with Rick here we can not just assume someone is PKing because of the gear they are wearing. Someone is strong PKing gear might just be trying to deter others from attacking, or might just be heading off someone to train combat. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: October 20, 2008 10:38 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 |
Theres plenty exceptions to this rule What if we run into a smaller clan that just started their trip, unskulled? Are we supposed to stand by and let them run since they're not skulled?
That wouldnt matter if they were proved to be intending to rob the bank  -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 12:30 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 |
Yes, you're supposed to stand by and attack them the second they become skulled, other than that, as I said before...no skull, no attack. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 12:42 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | De ja vu gunna make this short and sweet. This argument was posted about 2 years ago. before wildy was gone. If they are in pking gear (obvious) you can attack them. Ask lordy for reference. -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 03:12 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
It doesn't matter if it was official or not. If you solo pvp and kill a skiller. You should be kicked/banned/warned, that's how it has always been. If a member of WG was with other WG or soloing its against the rules. If you are pvping w/ another clan(like we did back in the day w/ DF, Fear, etc) the rules however do not apply. p.s-I am disappointed how so many wg have not read the whole of the WG wilderness rules. Including some raid leaders..... --------------------  | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 01:58 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Samurai-JM Group: Emeritus Posts: 3204 Member No.: 117 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Told ya, World Guardians now lol. ARPKing = not attacking any random person. You protect skillers and such and kill only the bad guys, meaning skulled fighters and those who are OBVIOUSLY out to get someone, as mugger just said. -------------------- -=}¤- Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici -¤{=-  W I N N I N G | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 11:10 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I remember at one time a council member was demoted for pking everything that moved. We live or die by the arpking rules, it does matter what you do as long as you are a member of this clan. What is next abyss pking? Where is the fun in that? People are using the same old rationalizations..you are pking if you are on a PvP world. It used to be if you don't want to be pked don't go in the wildy. We need to remember our roots and honour them. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: October 21, 2008 11:29 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
Well said Jenny, I totally agree. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: October 22, 2008 10:36 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Well, first off, we've all got to accept that the same rules we used to have for the old Wilderness won't be able to guide us now. Given that, we can't completely alter them, and as Jenny said we've got to be true to our roots. Now, I'm a little more for the "No Skull, No Attack" side, but I realize that given the fact the entire world is now the "Wilderness" it's not really rational to say "No Skull, No Attack." The fact of the matter is, people WILL end up skilling on these worlds simple for the bonus XP while using the Brawling Gloves. In all honesty, I've even considered killing Green Dragons on these worlds if I ever come by some Melee Brawling Gloves for extra money and boosted XP, so it's not alright to say "Nobody will skill there because of the danger, so it's alright to attack anyone!" The key is to make good judgement. If someone is ONLY weilding an axe for woodcutting, it's safe to say they're skilling. However, if there is an unskulled person with an AGS in void, it's also safe to say they've got other intentions other than some boosted WC XP. However, the problem arises when someone is doing something seemingly harmless, but COULD be a PKer if given a good situation. That's when things get tough, and I'd say be safe and leave them, even if they're wearing full Dharok's and are cutting some trees, just leave it. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: October 22, 2008 12:22 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | this is disgraceful. clearly people in this clan still dont understand the meaning of antirpking you dont attack a person unless he is skulled. the ONLY exception is if the person is in pking gear (as someone said before ags and void) and not skulled to save items on death. eventually there will be people skilling on pvp worlds for the clear bonus of extra xp and easier cash. so antirpking must be enforced and even more important council, warlords and leaders need to enforce this. it is antirpking that makes wg as famous as it is, if you dont like it, well, maybe this isnt the place for you. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: October 22, 2008 02:02 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
I agree Jadi and Rick. They bring up really good points. What if someone like me goes there to train combat??? Maybe to try to learn avoiding ko over something. I have been fishing in p vs p worlds with lil to no trouble. It might even be faster fishing sharks. I can sell cooked for 2k each with junk if I want to rip off the pk people. I'm only welding a ring of life and maybe iron dagger (thanks Gary). I have to believe in the good in people that they might be there looking for people attacking skillers. There are other antipk clans out there. I understood the rule to be DO NOT Attack anyone who is NOT Skulled. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: October 26, 2008 03:30 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 | i think this rant is bullshit. Yes i love the ARPK rule, but that was placed back when any world in the wildy was PK area. Now that they have entire worlds devoted to PvP it doesnt make sense that we cannot attack a person in it just because they are not skulled. They probably wouldnt be in a hot spot (fally) in a PvP world if they were not pking. I believe the ARPK rule should be amended, or at least given a glance-over. Just think about it.  lol dont get mad or upset its just a suggestion. Remaining loyal is a big thing for me, and if thats what we decide to do then im all for it. --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||||
Posted: October 31, 2008 01:16 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
Example of someone being in a hotspot whilst not PKing: Yesterday, Mobifon was doing slayer or something in a PvP world and once he was finished, he tellied to Al-Kharid, forgetting he was in a PvP world, he went to the bank and got owned. He lost over 4M of stuff I think he said. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: October 31, 2008 07:37 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Sucks to be Mobifon, however, I don't sympathize with him at all. It was HIS choice to skill on a PvP world and thus has to take responsibility for anything that happened. I don't see what that has to do with the conversation though. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 2, 2008 08:33 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Buzzard1985 Group: Emeritus Posts: 817 Member No.: 723 Joined: May 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 52 | I'd have to say if your on the PvP world and in the middle of Fally, chances are your pking whereas if your not skulled around say a bunch of yew trees the odds are that he's a skiller. When you log into a PvP world it gives you a warning, so either watch what your doing or go to a non-PvP world. --------------------  - [99 / 99 Woodcutting] - [85 / 99 Fletching] - [82 / 99 Fishing] - - [14 / 24 Skills 70+] - | ||||
Posted: November 2, 2008 02:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
It was to do with the "If your on a PvP world your obviously Pking" statement. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 2, 2008 02:40 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | Well Ive read 90% of the posts above me and it looks like it has to do with complete judgment. Since whole worlds are PvP now not just the wilderness anyone is a potential threat for pking. It's been said in plenty of posts that you attack only those with skulls, Or those in OBVIOUS player killing gear. But where is the line drawn from obvious pking gear and skilling gear. I think the decisions made from the council+raid leaders+founder will probably cause a lot of arguments but it's what we have to stay by. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: November 7, 2008 05:16 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Useph Group: Guest Posts: 267 Member No.: 125 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | In a pvp world anyone can turn into a pker at any time. Someone who looks like they're just chopping yews could turn out to have a dds with a rune defender in their inventory, already potted up, and has 94+ mage for vengeance and ice barrage. Anyone who goes and does skilling in a pvp world is obviously at risk of dieing from training there. If they die, and they really were just skilling, then they lost a few logs, or a few ores, or whatever else they might have been doing, and have to take a few minutes to get back to that spot. If you die, thanks to the no welfare pk gear policy, you'll probably lose upwards of 200k of gear. It's not easy to distinguish and because of that I think it's absolutely ludicrous to establish an absolute rule for this. It depends on the situation EVERY SINGLE TIME.
You don't come into a PvP world not realizing that a pker may kill you for no reason. Anything you can do in a PvP world you can do in a regular world. If there's crowds in regular worlds, then you have to choose between that and occasionally dieing from getting pked. Pvp worlds were designed with skillers in mind also, adding risk to their training but with the potential to get more done because of smaller crowds. -------------------- Goals 78/99  | 99/99  | 92/99  | 94/99  | 82/99  | 99/99  | 77/99  mIRC Guru  WG's #1 Pyromaniac | ||||
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