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IRC Nickname: leecable
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Rene, you beast. I never said i wanted a warring/pking clan. Im also here for the community, but the privalidge of emeritus, is being abused.

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IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1449
Member No.: 228
Joined: February 13, 2008
Total Events Attended: 107

WOW, quite a rant, my mind has changed completely.

Sorry for the last post Lee because this is something of importance.

you're absolutely right, Emeritus IS an honored rank for people that have pulled there weight and more in WG, emeritus is a symbol of respect and hard work that shouldnt be handed out like beer salt at a kegger. anways, just because you've been a member for 4 weeks or whatever, doesnt mean you've pulled your weight, is waht im trying to get at i guess.

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IRC Nickname: Havochaha
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 2257
Member No.: 106
Joined: January 5, 2008
Total Events Attended: 113

mango i love you <3

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IRC Nickname: Karlfischer
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 664
Member No.: 124
Joined: January 12, 2008
Total Events Attended: 55

Rai, Mango, Rene, epic posts all of you! I am glad to see the community ethos alive and well, and very well articulated.

Lee, I know your main concern is the exceptions being given to emeritus, but that issue is overshadowed by the activity requirements being imposed upon emeritus members.

I think Mango said it best, why are emeritus being scapegoated when the regular members are the ones really responsible for activity levels? Lets look at the last war attendance. About 27% of emeritus signed up. About 81% of active members signed up. Of those emeritus, none put themselves in the "yes" category. What is the point of being nazis about getting emeritus to sign up for wars when most of them cannot show up anyways, and will help us very little in the war since they might not have time to get FoG gear and are probably very rusty at fighting. Its a whole lot of effort that does not really improve our wars and severely damages our community when we start kicking emeritus out.

The emeritus sign up rates are understandable given their inactivity, however there are still quite a few active members who have not signed up for the war, and in that area is where you will see real improvement.

The active members who did not sign up for wars were not automatically moved to ex-member, so what I do not understand Lee is why you are advocating that treatment for members whose rank is defined by inactivity?

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IRC Nickname: leecable
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I think, that if a war, hasnt been signed up to. By anybody. Then When the event has finsihed. They should be pm'ed. If they dont reply to PM within 1 weeks. Then ex member they go. Anyone, not just emeritus. If this happens 3 times in a row, and they just keep not signing up. Then they should be spoken to by a member of council, about why they are not signing up.

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IRC Nickname: Matt|Georgio9
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 706
Member No.: 94
Joined: January 3, 2008
Total Events Attended: 0

Nice stats to backup the conclusive veteran's opinion on emeritus lol.

Bring back honoured member? I think I was one of the last people in the clan to get that rank.

I'm not going to judge who is/isn't deserving of emeritus at the moment since I really don't know who does what around here anymore.

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IRC Nickname: megajayson
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 9246
Member No.: 423
Joined: April 4, 2008
Total Events Attended: 216

tbh

you say emeritus should still sign up to wars and go to events and wars.

then wtf is the difference between higher and emeritus

emeritus is for people who cant meet the activity requirements, such as going on a holiday, or such as mine example of my mum going into the hospital.

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If you can't spend 5 minutes to sign up for a war then you need ex-member. You should not have anything to do with anything but your real life commitments then.

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IRC Nickname: Matt|Georgio9
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QUOTE (Quikdrawjoe @ November 25, 2008 03:34 am)

If you can't spend 5 minutes to sign up for a war then you need ex-member. You should not have anything to do with anything but your real life commitments then.

Can't sign up for something you don't know about. Can't talk about something you don't know about either.

I was going to say something else in response to your comments but maybe it's too crude.

Ah hell,

BLOW ME.

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IRC Nickname: Rai|James
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QUOTE (Karlfischer @ November 25, 2008 01:31 am)

Rai, Mango, Rene, epic posts all of you! I am glad to see the community ethos alive and well, and very well articulated.

Lee, I know your main concern is the exceptions being given to emeritus, but that issue is overshadowed by the activity requirements being imposed upon emeritus members.

I think Mango said it best, why are emeritus being scapegoated when the regular members are the ones really responsible for activity levels? Lets look at the last war attendance. About 27% of emeritus signed up. About 81% of active members signed up. Of those emeritus, none put themselves in the "yes" category. What is the point of being nazis about getting emeritus to sign up for wars when most of them cannot show up anyways, and will help us very little in the war since they might not have time to get FoG gear and are probably very rusty at fighting. Its a whole lot of effort that does not really improve our wars and severely damages our community when we start kicking emeritus out.

The emeritus sign up rates are understandable given their inactivity, however there are still quite a few active members who have not signed up for the war, and in that area is where you will see real improvement.

The active members who did not sign up for wars were not automatically moved to ex-member, so what I do not understand Lee is why you are advocating that treatment for members whose rank is defined by inactivity?

Karl is win. <3

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QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

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IRC Nickname: Sativas
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 2255
Member No.: 1305
Joined: August 29, 2008
Total Events Attended: 155

Although I haven't been here long, I can say almost everyone who asked for Emeritus has gotten it for the most part.

I agree with it should be a earned rank which only people who have made a MAJOR impact should get.

Also I don't think they should have to sign up to war etc, but being active on the forum should be part of the agreement.

If they have to sign up for a war, what makes them different from elite guardian?

It seems most of the people getting Emeritus are people who don't want to play the game yet don't want to leave the community.

Seriously is making them a Ex-member making them leave the community?

Can't they see a majority of the forums as that rank anyway, and not be needed to be active?

If hey can't, maybe give it to people who were active and let them see more of the forums.

As for Emeritus leave the rank to people who made a MAJOR IMPACT ON WG... and not a active member who wants to not play yet be able to come to wars now and then.

Anyway,
Just from someone who's only been a few months that's what I see.

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IRC Nickname: Dnovelta
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 2750
Member No.: 130
Joined: January 20, 2008
Total Events Attended: 137

I highly doubt we have a quota of Higher Guardians...

I feel the same way. Emeritus is a valued rank. The requirement is Higher Guardian or higher, yet we've got people that are just regular Guardians asking for the rank, and leaders saying something can be worked out? Come on...no disrespect to the Guardians who do do a lot, but Emeritus isn't something to be thrown around.

If you've really done enough, you should be at least a Higher Guardian. I believe none of that "they might not promote someone worthy because there are to many," stuff because that is plain stupid. If you're good, you're good. Nothing more. It's not a question of who came first, or if there are enough spaces, if five members have all contributed an equal amount and have all gone above and beyond, then all should (and I think would) get the promotion.

As for activity, I'm on the fence. I know that Emeritus are RS-inactive, but does that apply to forums as well? All they'd have to do is say, "No, I'm not playing RS anymore." Simple. If it were for actual attendance, then one war every 1-2 months is pretty reasonable I'd say.

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IRC Nickname: Rai|James
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QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 06:32 am)

QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

I remember the day you, Mango, and Abs got Mod. Cause I gave it to joo.

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QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 07:55 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 06:32 am)

QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

I remember the day you, Mango, and Abs got Mod. Cause I gave it to joo.

Wrong, Rick gave it to me the same day you got promoted to Chief Mod.

Actually, you almost tried to get me demoted because you didn't get to know me.

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IRC Nickname: Rai|James
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QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:03 am)

QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 07:55 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 06:32 am)

QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

I remember the day you, Mango, and Abs got Mod. Cause I gave it to joo.

Wrong, Rick gave it to me the same day you got promoted to Chief Mod.

Actually, you almost tried to get me demoted because you didn't get to know me.

Rick suggested it, we talked about it, and I didn't want to demote you they didn't want me to promote anyone else.

But it wasn't the day I became Chief Mod. It was before then.

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QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 08:08 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:03 am)

QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 07:55 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 06:32 am)

QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

I remember the day you, Mango, and Abs got Mod. Cause I gave it to joo.

Wrong, Rick gave it to me the same day you got promoted to Chief Mod.

Actually, you almost tried to get me demoted because you didn't get to know me.

Rick suggested it, we talked about it, and I didn't want to demote you they didn't want me to promote anyone else.

But it wasn't the day I became Chief Mod. It was before then.

Ahh, my memory is a little fuzzy.

All I remember is a PM from Rick saying I was promoted XD. Then you and I were talking and you were saying you didn't know me and weren't sure how I'd handle things etc.

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QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:36 am)

QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 08:08 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:03 am)

QUOTE (Rai Of Light @ November 25, 2008 07:55 am)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 06:32 am)

QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 12:02 am)

I had to learn to do the same when I first became a mod. I said yes to something I shouldn't have on my first day of mod, and got scolded by James (Rai of Light)

So if its applicable, then it should also be addressed, as a random member might ask to be emeritus, and although he/she does not deserve it, it might be given to him/her.

I remember the day you got mod

Good times.

Anyways, I do remember the day Emeritus was sacred. It used to only be given out to Senior members, Honoured members, Moderators, and Council. No exceptions. At all.

It wasn't even always given out to those who had the rank, you had to have DONE something to better the clan.

For all intents and purposes, it was the exact same as an Emeritus position at a University. A professor goes on extended leave of absence but still retains his position.

I remember the day you, Mango, and Abs got Mod. Cause I gave it to joo.

Wrong, Rick gave it to me the same day you got promoted to Chief Mod.

Actually, you almost tried to get me demoted because you didn't get to know me.

Rick suggested it, we talked about it, and I didn't want to demote you they didn't want me to promote anyone else.

But it wasn't the day I became Chief Mod. It was before then.

Ahh, my memory is a little fuzzy.

All I remember is a PM from Rick saying I was promoted XD. Then you and I were talking and you were saying you didn't know me and weren't sure how I'd handle things etc.

I remember Rick, you, and other councils telling me I had promoted too many people in a short amount of time...

Rick & I always talked about who to promote.

Doesn't matter...going off topic.

I like pie, and I'm gonna get pie...

P.S

Bai

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QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ November 24, 2008 10:22 pm)

NO - there was ALWAYS the exception to Higher Guardian - in special circumstances.
Promotions aren't given out very often, and when they are- not to many members.

People need to make sure they are one of the few promoted, by working their asses off, like most of the Higher Guardians.

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IRC Nickname: leecable
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QUOTE (Georgio9 @ November 24, 2008 11:27 pm)

QUOTE (Quikdrawjoe @ November 25, 2008 03:34 am)

If you can't spend 5 minutes to sign up for a war then you need ex-member. You should not have anything to do with anything but your real life commitments then.

Can't sign up for something you don't know about. Can't talk about something you don't know about either.

Georgio, Most of the Major wars, you are sent a PM. This then in turn, sends you an email.

Like I said, im pretty sure you still check your email.

Jadi,

Im pretty sure, that emeritus, should still browse the forums on occassion? And have to sign up to mandatory war sign ups? I never said nothing about any other events. Im sure typing '0% -usy' doesn't take any longer that 5 mins. Even if you type like..my nan.

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IRC Nickname: Gusmighster
Group: Emeritus
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To be honest with you this has potential to become a never-ending debate/argument. In my eyes what Emeritus truly means is currently under questioning, so without a true definition for Emeritus I can't really see the grounds to argue on, as the real definition is basically what the dispute is over.

Anyway, my opinion on the two arguments you put up there Lee;

1) I think Emeritus should be and still is a privelidge. However, I can see staff members becoming a bit lenient on who it is handed out to, but before we can point the finger at anyone we need to find out what the clan wants Emeritus to actually be like. Imo we need a set requirements with NO EXCEPTIONS. That way there is no way in which a topic like this could come up again.

2) It is a very, very fine line in how much you can expect people who have put their all into WG to do when they have entered retirement. I think this should be up-to the staff to decide about, and then again have no exceptions for the rule.

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QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:36 am)

All I remember is a PM from Rick saying I was promoted XD. Then you and I were talking and you were saying you didn't know me and weren't sure how I'd handle things etc.

Ha. You know how I became a mod?

I was dragged to visit Columbia that day, since my brother wanted to visit it and my parents wouldn't let me stay home an entire day (they knew I would just play rs the whole day). So after a long, tiring day at Columbia (takes 1.5-2 hrs to get there), I get home, and I find out I'm promoted to mod after people PM me on IRC

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QUOTE (Mangomaniac2 @ November 25, 2008 09:16 pm)

QUOTE (Multikill529 @ November 25, 2008 08:36 am)

All I remember is a PM from Rick saying I was promoted XD. Then you and I were talking and you were saying you didn't know me and weren't sure how I'd handle things etc.

Ha. You know how I became a mod?

I was dragged to visit Columbia that day, since my brother wanted to visit it and my parents wouldn't let me stay home an entire day (they knew I would just play rs the whole day). So after a long, tiring day at Columbia (takes 1.5-2 hrs to get there), I get home, and I find out I'm promoted to mod after people PM me on IRC

I was one of those people.

Wow, you, me, and James have totally derailed this thread.

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I'm an emeritus (Former Elite Guardian/Application manager) and I think it should still be here.
Because.
Some people, like myself, take breaks from runescape, for different reasons, maybe you get bored or have a lot of things to do in real life.
For me it's school.
And yea, I still want to be a part of WG since yea, it's after all the bestiest clan evur. But I just can't do much on the RuneScape side of the clan. I do though help the community in a good way (I think

) or atleast I try to.
I think many other emeritus do the same thing.
I do agree that some emeritus don't and that pisses me off.

Btw, sorry that I didn't attend any big events pretty much last few weeks, I've been so busy in real life I totally forgot about RuneScape. Now I've returned though and I try to do my best

Omg...this post got so much longer than what I had wanted it to be...
Oh well, I might aswell do this...lalalalalala.......
lalalalala......
pns wif ze gud pie....lalalala......

Thanx

EDIT: I really agree with Gus' "1)" because it's what I think aswell.

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1) I think Emeritus should be and still is a privelidge. However, I can see staff members becoming a bit lenient on who it is handed out to, but before we can point the finger at anyone we need to find out what the clan wants Emeritus to actually be like. Imo we need a set requirements with NO EXCEPTIONS. That way there is no way in which a topic like this could come up again.

Yea, that's the one ^

-Zeth

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QUOTE (leecable @ November 25, 2008 12:49 pm)

QUOTE (Georgio9 @ November 24, 2008 11:27 pm)

QUOTE (Quikdrawjoe @ November 25, 2008 03:34 am)

If you can't spend 5 minutes to sign up for a war then you need ex-member. You should not have anything to do with anything but your real life commitments then.

Can't sign up for something you don't know about. Can't talk about something you don't know about either.

Georgio, Most of the Major wars, you are sent a PM. This then in turn, sends you an email.

Like I said, im pretty sure you still check your email.

Jadi,

Im pretty sure, that emeritus, should still browse the forums on occassion? And have to sign up to mandatory war sign ups? I never said nothing about any other events. Im sure typing '0% -usy' doesn't take any longer that 5 mins. Even if you type like..my nan.

Oh I am completely aware of those messages because I still check in here a few times a week. But others who don't check in for a month or whatever, this includes myself sometimes don't get the messages because we don't come onto the forums or have the email go to a spam account. So we're just unaware of the goings on of the clan.

If you guys are lucky, I'll make a disappearing act starting this weekend for exams.

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