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Posted: January 11, 2009 02:32 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305    | If you remember, Rick Hamm brought up the issue that Adam should of been banned as he was leaving for the way he said stuff about the clan. Being his friend didn't change anything. His attitude in his posts have been different for some time now. I still chat to Adam on MSN some. We have people now on our forum that I have had doubts about. I think tighten down on our forum more with who has access to stuff. If someone gave away an account and caused all this trouble for another clan, maybe check the numbers here of accts over the last few months. Also we have had members join from DF recently here I think. I'm not sure without going back through the applicatons. I agree with Joe about how to handle the situation. We are not NH. Elias the immediate thing you did was the right thing too. I saw Adam in the lobby and it was shameful. I was afk at the time but scrolled back up and read it. We need to have application managers brought back. Bam was outstanding at that. Joe would be good but he may be even more harsh. Council can only do so much and this would give a prescreen of who should not be left in. Mentors need to be really watching their people closely and reporting odd stuff. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 02:36 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | What did he do? Edit:i can guess, but details? lol --------------------   | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 02:53 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | We may not be the biggest clan out there but we have never shirked from doing what was the right thing to do. Straddling the fence is not the right thing to do. We stand for Honor in the clan world when so many do not. I honestly believe that ex-members can see too much of our forums. We should take into account what clan they have gone on to and make sure we are more secure in who we accept. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 03:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | Tbh i know my answer is going to be bias but tbh i say we side wit TT. I know the evidence isnt very clean and clear but tbh Df and Vr are the two most power hungry and cocky clans out there. They may be strong but they got alot of ego. Clans that walk like that dont deserve respect in a fun online game. They pretty much are half the reason this game is serious.... Tbh i know WG doesnt have to get involved and id rather pick that choice. But half of me wants to fight against DF and VR so id say fite them and help out TT. Help if TT requests it, but dont crash And since we know wre going to get crashed we needa tighten up and reduce pks and implant more wars and minis in pvp and cw. Cuz if they crash pvp then we can show the clan world how much of a great clan df is. As for applications re implant Ap managers and tighten up security. -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian  Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0   | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 03:21 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
I also agree with Joe. Become help to them in PvP raids and such, but not go to crash other wars. If clans want to war VR with their reputation then so be it, but we shouldn't try to get in the middle of them. Application managers to review applications and to research the member would be great. A way to go through a "second" acceptance program in which someone would be required to do to view our raid times and our wars could also help weed out a spy. Now is the time where it is crucial for one hell of an application process. Start a blacklist of IPs and names that have been known to enter clans to be a spy such as the ones in the TT post, and keep track to make sure that those people do not enter WG. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 04:19 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | My opinion is that we don't crash any planned fights. The reason being that VR probably won't be getting any after this DF war. What we should do is hunt them. We aren't threatening, but if we screw with them, it'll mean something. I mean if we get word of them in a PKRI, we join in. If called on, we join in. Like Lordy said, we can't do nothing because that would mean we're allowing those actions to take place. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 04:26 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | To be honest, DF wouldn't have been on VR's side if their fight wasn't crashed \: I agree with Joe, I believe we should help hunt VR, but we shouldn't crash their fights because that's also an insult to the clan fighting them. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 04:30 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Whioever tries to hack ae fags. Im xtremely pissed, been drinking from 9 gmt pm to 4gmt am lmao do ignoreme. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 04:38 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I say we stay out of it. I'll post a more detailed post tomorrow I'm on my way out. If we get involved in this it will only result in negative things to us. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 05:38 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | I also have to add this: TT can defend themselves if crashed or hunted by VR, hence why they have the ability to crash. WG on the other part, can't defend itself if rushed by VR or DF, because we lack the options, the skill, the dedication (PvP wise, of course) and the levels. Crashing a clan much more powerful than us won't move us ahead, and we might get a decline in introductions/applications from those active in RSC because they'll see us as a NH clan (Even though we really aren't). -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 05:45 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | Glad to see the way this has been handled. I think most people have come to the right conclusion, as an honor clan we cannot engage directly in crashing a war. The main reason being that we are also crashing a clan that did not hack someones forums. However, I would like to ask four questions: 1. What if we crash VR directly after the fight if they have won? 2. What happens if TT crashes a VR fight and it turns into a PKRI of TT vs VR, can we join in even though we are indirectly supporting TT crashing the fight? 3. If we discover that VR are in a PRKI with another clan, and that other clan refuses our help or we cannot help because VR will target us, can we go to the moss giants and kill VR members as they are returning by canoe? 4. If we run into VR can we 1-item them? My own answer to all questions would be to go ahead. I could offer a more lengthy explanation, however my basic rationale is that these actions only hurt VR, and in their case it is justifiable to bend (but not break) our code of honor to take a strong stance against hacking. I would however recommend that we do not 1-item, but instead set up increased communication with TT. If we do run into VR, I am sure TT would be more than glad to come to our aid. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 05:56 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Us getting involved is not even about us being able to handle DF or VR. We obviously could never take them on, but it's a matter of principle. Just letting them go by us is a disgrace to what we stand for (that being honor). Just remember, it seems obvious that none of us are thinking about crashing planned fights because there is just something wrong about that, but things like PKRIs are fair game because they are accidental.
I would agree here as well. Once their fight is over (if they get another planned fight) they're fair game. It's no longer a fight, but instead a walk back to BH, so nothing wrong with attacking them. I also think that pestering them at the Moss Giants would be fine, but a little on the edge. Your points 2 and 4, I think we should stay away from. Aiding TT in a crash is the same as us crashing. If VR does in fact call on some other clans to help, maybe, but I still think we should stay out of those. We don't want to crash anything planned, directly or indirectly, it would just give WG a bad name. I think there is a difference between aiding a crash, and aiding a PKRI. I think this is bending the rules pretty far as it is. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 06:37 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Elias, as a friend and a proud member of this clan, please listen to what I have to say. I have been here for a long time. I helped WG survive D-Day, the RoT castle wars crash, and several other incidents which tore WG apart. I know a bad idea when I see one. We CANNOT get involved in this whole situation. As much as we believe it is our duty to fight NH and assist honorable clans, we must not get involved. This is a crisis that the clan world is experiencing, and it is having devastating effects. If WG gets involved, it will be yet another death sentence for us. Apart from all the inter-clan fighting that will occur, many top clans will be hunting us, flaming us, etc... This is not what WG needs right now. We WILL NOT be able to handle it. Please heed my call. Cut all ties to the clan world immediately, lest we be sucked down to this man made hell with it. Let things calm down. --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 06:38 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 | Lordy, based on what information of the situation you've provided, I would have to disagree with participating in crashes -- we may be an aid to TT, but that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice our own clan for their cause. I'm not suggesting that we don't assist TT; However, WG also has to take care of itself in situations like this. My 1 cent. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 06:42 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 |
Listen to this man. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 06:50 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | I'm all for it. As i semi-quoted you in my arguments on the mammoth RSC topic... "We may not be the strongest or most influential ... but we know when to stand up for what is right no matter who the opposition or odds against" and I stand by it. Last night I was upset to find a classic walk-around-till-a-bigger-clan-kills-us raid planned right ontop of the predicted start time for last night's events. I was so pumped to fight all night if necessary to assist TT and other honorable clans. Crashing fights with watertight evidence that said clan is acting out of order, such as hacking, is deserved. Like spanking a child. Perhaps I'm biased since I have a few wonderful friends in TT. Either way I'd have still gone through with assisting TT despite DF's attempts to flounder our efforts by throwing their weight around. Showing TT our dedication to this cause will at least gain us their valued trust and respect. Perhaps even alliance potential once we become stronger. Well, theres my little bit of unexplainably plausible logic. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 07:56 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I had this argument. Lose VR's respect and DF's, and gain the respect of TT and the 10 or so accompanying clans. A certain clan member disagreed and gave me some info which I considered. That member was right. Even if we have TT on our side, DF and VR against us is not something we can handle. One yes, both, no. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 07:59 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | I did say that crashing a planned DF fight would be clan-world suicide. Hunting VR, fine that's completely fine as far as we're concerned, but we should never crash planned fights because they involve more than just the clan we're targeting. It's unfair on the other clan, as it ruins their fight. Especailly as DF had theirs planned before the VR vs TT scandal outbroke... From what I understand, we didn't crash the war last night, and so I can't see why DF would try sending in spies? ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 10:03 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 |
Listen to these men. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 10:14 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Ubg Fcbruges Group: Emeritus Posts: 1209 Member No.: 1373 Joined: October 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | I certainly agree with Colin. It's not indeed a very good idea to get involved into this right now. But now WG has given trust to TT. Would it be a good idea to tell them we don't want to be involved anymore...? I don't know. But certainly show our apologies towards DF. --------------------  Portfolio ~~ WG Emeritus - 20 November 2010 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 10 November 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Emeritus - 2 July 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 27 February 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Guardian - 12 December 2008 ~~ ~~ WG Trial Guardian - 30 October 2008 ~~ | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 10:16 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | I don't want to apologise to DF. They behaved poorly. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 10:19 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I agree with Colin, we need to keep our heads high whilst keeping a low profile right now... Perhaps it is just safer to close applications for 1-2 weeks, what do you think? So NO new members can be associated with us, obviously those accepted already can stay and make their way towards graduation. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 10:48 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Hmm tough subject, the warring side of me wants to go head in so we can actually get some action on the pk worlds and have a great time pking with TT although we could possibly loose rune. But all the other signs point to no as we are supposed to be one of the last honour clans left, and although we are fighting a NH clan i think we're destroying our morals with it if we crash. As for DF spies, George's idea of closing applications other than to actual friends of WG would be fine. Like say you had a friend who'd never been in a clan and you've known them for a while, let them join rather than the randomers. Although we are usually a small clan with less number turning up to most things, we do have the heart with us, and our pride. Either we sit on the fence, get flamed, and possibly have spies. OR we go in and start hunting VR, not crashing their wars, just hunting them. We can't do this by ourselves though, we need TT and the 10 other clans. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: January 11, 2009 11:06 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zooby Group: Guest Posts: 1669 Member No.: 1464 Joined: November 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 109 | Im sick of this NH shit. they are NH you are NH. blah blah blah. screw honour. I say we crash and drill the shit out of them all. -------------------- A Revolution without dance is a Revolution not worth having at all Lightbulbs die my sweet, I will depart | ||||
Posted: January 11, 2009 11:24 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Too bad you're in a strict honour ARPK clan  -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
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