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Posted: February 11, 2009 04:45 am  | |||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69    |
I will agree with that to an extent, but when someone achieves the position and then proceeds to act immaturely or unprofessionally, they lose that respect. Simple as that. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 04:59 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 318 Member No.: 21 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 1 |
 --------------------  *Proud* Former leader of the Wilderness Guardians  ^Not Reticked's idea, mine tbh (FOR REAL NO JOKE OMG)^ | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 05:00 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
Yup, can you name some leaders who are like that? --------------------  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 05:01 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 |
Not publicly. WG has enough drama as it is. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 05:07 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
In PM then. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 05:18 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | This is like last year when I was on the council. I couldnt log into the forums or get on irc without someone blaming me for things wrong that I had no control over. Some times you do the best you can then pull it out of yourself to stand it. It may hurt but you wanted this position. At least YOU have Elias standing up for you and supporting you in your hard times. you are being given. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 06:02 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | You go girl! --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 09:50 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | Members don't get upset for no reason and from being down here as just a member I get the impression the leaders feel they are above us. Better than us. A small thing I noticed today... personal greets on #wg are enabled for leaders only. What makes them so special/above us? It's a setting that has to be purposely set - that only operators can have a personal greet. This never used to be the case. I have a personal greet and used to change it weekly with an inspirational quote, but now theres no point, the bot doesn't display it on joining. But leaders can just because they're leaders? Again with the flaming. A big reason for rick being banned was "flaming a leader". Christ if every MEMBER that flamed a MEMBER in PM got the same treatment we'd lose half the clan. People have disagreements and are entitled and encouraged to slug it out in PM. Using the "You can't say that to me because I'm a leader" excuse doesn't cut it. I don't disrespect any single leader and have no problems with anyone. But as a member this is what I'm seeing and feeling after hearing what my peers have to say... The leaders feel they're better than us. Up themselves. Full of it. However you want to word it. Is the general feeling. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 10:30 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Total rubbish. We've done nothing less than chain ourselves for the betterment of the clan. I doubt it is deliberate that only ops can have greets. Instead of screaming "bias", just ask and I'm sure it will be changed.
It counts for more to a leader and I'm not ashamed to admit that. The leaders are in a position of authority. We don't go around thinking we're better, but if you flame us, you are flaming the authority. Try swearing at a policeman and see the sort of response you get. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 10:43 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | Just to help the discussion - The default setting for channels is that only operators+ have greets enabled - To have greets enabled for everyone - I think the command: '/cs set #wg greet 0' has to be typed - It's not special treatment at all, Steve, and to suggest that pisses me off to be frank. There's far too much 'Leaders are bias omfg' rubbish going around and this needs to change - As far as i'm concerned, I can't be f'ed with dealing with the constant bickering towards the leadership when trying to do the right thing all of the time - It's becoming not worth it. I love helping to make the clan a better place, but when all you get for it is criticism and complaints, it begins to seem not worth it. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 10:54 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Matt|Multi Group: Emeritus Posts: 668 Member No.: 49 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12 |
Not to be mean, but what did you expect, honestly? -------------------- Born at sea, baptized in blood your fame will never die. Your Division is one of the best if not the best division in the history of American arms -Gen George S Patton on the 45th Infantry Division  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 10:57 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | I know, but it never used to be. So it was changed to give only leaders the privilege purposely by someone at some point. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 11:14 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 |
Surely that is what the leadership is there for, it has always been WG's punching bag. --------------------    | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:13 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I know its been around since forever, but I want this to change. The fact that you are saying this is normal means when it happens you don't mind that much. Even though the leaders prepare themselves for it when they accept the role, it is a lot worse than they expect. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 04:38 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Joe mamma27 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 106 Member No.: 1589 Joined: December 26, 2008 Total Events Attended: 12 | I don't see why anyone would want to lead if all the members seem to think that constant criticising and complaining is a normal part of the leadership role... I really doubt leaders take the job expecting to get ripped apart by the members. There are so many better and more effective ways of getting things changed. Instead of arguing or yelling with a leader publicly, you can ask them why they did something or send them contructive criticism through PM. I'm sure the leader will listen more to what you say and actually try to change for the better (if they are indeed doing something wrong). If you can confront the leaders friendly it'll pretty much solve all the problems: -The leaders will enjoy their jobs and do better jobs since they are happy -The leaders won't be closed off from the members -The "tradition" of complaining about the leaders will be over I'm a trial guardian and new to the clan so I don't truly understand whats going on. However in my last clan we asked the members to do this and, trust me, if the members do it everything will be a lot smoother and more fun. Which is really the whole point of WG (I assume) and Runescape. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 05:35 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | I've been pretty inactive lately, but I've still seen the utter disrespect shown to leaders, and yes especially Mugger. Some may not realize what they have said is offensive, but when you are talking to council about official matters talk to them like they are your boss, not a friend you're doing a group project with. They do not deserve to be contradicted. Mugger you're doing a great job by the way, along with the rest of the council and tertiaries. Brandon  -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 06:56 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Mutual Respect? Guess I was wrong. -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 07:05 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
DW Mugger, I still love you =P  --------------------  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:44 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
Does this mean that criticizing what someone sees as a bad leadership decision is to much to do? Isn't there a warning about applying for council. Even our world leaders get watched closer and the media is not always agreeing with them. You can't expect to be 100% right in everyone's view. You can only do what you think is right at the time and admit sometimes you make mistakes. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:45 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Badboy123223 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 46 Member No.: 1643 Joined: January 18, 2009 Total Events Attended: 1 | ALright :s -------------------- Event #1 - Tuesday 27th January 2009. - WG Raid. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3343/event1wgci8.png Event #2 - Saturday 31st January. - WG AC Event http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3108/secondeventwgfc9.png Event #3 - Wednesday 18th February. - Full out war versus Solar Angles. http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4236/so...ngleswarvs6.png Event #4 - Wednesday 18th February. - Prodigy PKRI. Not my picture best one I could find though :( 2 deaths. http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p...prodigdyof7.png | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 11:34 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
why did you quote me? -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 11:37 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
quote pyramid -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 13, 2009 02:23 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | I'm pretty sure anyone can set a greet. And even if they can't so what boohoo. The leaders may not be "above you" but you sure as hell better act like it. They are in charge of you and you better show some fucking respect and get in line. They have earned that rank and they take on the hardship of the clan's problems, and at the end of the day they do deserve an extra hello cause sometimes that's all that keeps them going. The only reason we have a problem between leaders and members at this point is because we have power-hungry members who feel like they're being abused. You have some of the nicest members as council but you can't fucking realize it because you're too busy nitpicking at their every fault. *End rant* Brandon -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 13, 2009 02:34 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Lol, well anyway. Umm lets all get along eh? I'm sure were bound to have disagreements. For the most part I think the leadership is doing a good job. All these things can be taken care of partially through pm. Also its okay to question leaders every now and then. It keeps things running smoothly so everyone gets what they want or come to terms. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 13, 2009 12:48 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | The fact that members can be openly critical is a point in favor of WG. In the real world, members cannot openly criticize leaders for long and remain part of the group. However, there is a vast difference between sharing an opinion with a leader and attacking them. I have vast respect for our leaders and I can only imagine the time that they spend working for WG. I for one will always be respectful in my dealings with them and I encourage others to do this also. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
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