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Posted: February 12, 2009 01:39 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103    | Originally I was going to say 105, but after reading the cons I think 100 is perfect. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:41 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Yea, I used to be one of them too, but I have learned. VOTE NO TO REQ RAISES --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:43 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Useph Group: Guest Posts: 267 Member No.: 125 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | This is what my old clan leader wrote in the Founding Principles of the clan I was in before WG. It was a no requirement clan, but sadly it fell apart after she was muted in RuneScape and quit.
Now I understand that WG is a warring clan, and there can't be level 63's here, but there's no reason to raise the requirement over 100. Many people who look for a clan are between level 95 and 105, and if they come to WG and see 108+ or 110+, they'll join a 100+ clan and by the time they're 110, there's a good chance that they'll like it. In turn, that clan will prosper instead of us. -------------------- Goals 78/99  | 99/99  | 92/99  | 94/99  | 82/99  | 99/99  | 77/99  mIRC Guru  WG's #1 Pyromaniac | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:48 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Don't forget this topic from earlier this year: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...wtopic=8920&hl= --------------------      | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:53 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Matt|Georgio9 Group: Emeritus Posts: 706 Member No.: 94 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Bad things happened last time we raised requirements....remember? That's how we got back down to 100 lol. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:55 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I joined as lvl 88/90 skiller with no real intentions of ever warring/training combat. I've been pushed and bullied enough. I almost left the last time, when I was being forced to train. Now I'm trying to train and be happy about it. If I am pushed to hard, I will have to leave. I remember us losing a lot of members before. I voted no. Do we really want to be a war clan only. If you decide to do this, what other requirements will need to be changed. Are you willing to bring back the skills sector to keep the members that aren't combat crazy happy and staying here. Or worse yet, would we see a break off of WG to another thing like OIP was to this clan. Stop forcing the lower levels to war and have a non war list of active members if you need the war list to be so elite. I don't think trying to be a powerhouse clan is worth losing the great community. A lot of the higher levels are tired of playing and only like to come to wars. The higher the levels the more likely to retire if the community goes to crap. You will be taking a big chance of losing members that keep the clan active. My point of view comes from being at the bottom of WG for almost a year in f2p combat. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:01 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | We've already moved to the direction of a more combat based clan. For Instance look at the Important Announcement forum. You see important war/pk topics there nearly every weekend, but no important skill topics. That my friends is already a shift towards combat. I voted 107+ because those were the reqs of the clan back when I first joined and WG was prospering. When the req's dropped to 100+ we went through a rough time. Just being Honest. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:05 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | I voted no. You know I've always been against raising the requirements and why. Besides, we can be 100+ and still be a powerhouse. We were back in '06 and we can be again. We already are the best 100+ clan around. I dare you to find a better one. But if you do raise them, don't go higher than 106 cuz I hate training  --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:07 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 |
Sorry, it was the other way around. WG got worse with the raise, and improved when they were dropped. Obviously the improvement isn't instant, but eventually (a month?) it got better I believe. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:12 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | Reason #2 not to raise reqs- Tabs would castrate everyone in WG when she got back and found out we rose reqs... -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:14 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | No, I like the lower reqs, means we catch all the new people though they need to be trained. On the other hand though we can build up a loyal base of members that will be with the clan for years, as some of our members have. Community > World -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:16 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith] Group: Emeritus Posts: 2049 Member No.: 86 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 82 | 102 - 103. I say this because when the members go to train, 105 seems more daunting, and we will still attract those below 105, because we are within reach. Annual req raisings would be cool too. Not combat, mind you: but a prayer requirement or defence requirement (etc.) that raises once in every long while. In this case, I certainly believe that the pros outweigh the cons and we should try it and see how we like it. -------------------- Best Firemaker in WG no lie   <--- rofl1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005. Ex-WG mod, OPH winner  ^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^ 189th person to get "100" firemaking Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit    | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:16 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Not going to vote yet. I need to think about it more. The biggest problem at the moment is activity and commitment to warring right now. A possible 2-4% upgrade in strength as a clan isn't nearly as influential as a clan's desire to want to win a fight. Right now, I think some WG don't even care if we win our fights. As long as they show up the PKRI/ Raid, get their attendance point, lose a rune set, and leave, its nothing off their backs. It sickens me that people are willing to back stab the clan like that, especially when I have made it publicly known to be ready for pvp with 10+ rune sets. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:25 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
As long as they are not going off to do something else in RuneScape, then sometimes that is all that we have time for. During sometimes when my parents are bitches or my girlfriend is coming over I only have time to go lose 1 rune set if that. If the persons who do this make the commitment to try to represent their clan for as long as they possibly can then it shouldn't be a problem, but I do agree if the person loses their set, and then doesn't return to a PKRI. Note: That honestly isn't a matter of combat levels. As a level 105, I hate losing money, but I do it for the clan, while I know a few people more than a few levels higher than me that either come back in cheap gear or just don't come back at all. It is more about dedication than combat, and that is yet another reason I believe that we shouldn't raise requirements, but only promote the training of combat in a serious but non-mandatory way. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:29 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | I voted no, mostly because I like diversity. I find it interesting however, that 44% also voted no but apparently did not wish to comment about it, since most of the posts are in favor of some regs raise. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:36 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 |
Of course, that's why I said (or I meant to if I didn't) say that this does not always apply. I also said there's some great 105-. On average someone that is higher than 105 is alot more active and experienced than below. Of course there's some high level inactives etc. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:51 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I joined WG at 98 combat. I didnt even have the +100 requirements. I only made it in because I had the +85 magic requirements. My defence was 53; It didnt even show up in the highscores. Within several days of joining, a topic was made about me person, saying that I was dragging down the combat average and they were right; I showed up as 89 combat on the ML. At the time, WG was already an established clan. We had a good amount of people and decent levels. I appeared on the very bottom of the ML. At the wars, I didnt do so great. I had the skills and I knew how to tank, but my defense restricted me. I had my rune on and prayer on before I even hit 60 HP, but my defence would not hold. Within a couple of weeks, I trained hard and managed to get 53-70 defence in 2 days. I was trying to get better.  This was my first P2P war. I sucked so bad, I died before I even skulled. I ran around like an idiot getting barraged to death. Previous to this, I had no warring experience at all. All the pking experience was around a personal team of friends, but they had gone. Still I worked hard. Now look where I am Take a look at my story. Thats how I started off; from the very bottom. Lowest defence in WG, lowest f2p combat. No real warring exp. Who is to say that a lower level wont become a great member? With knowledge, practice, and dedication, they will be able to do anything. The problem is, they will need to be trained. However, its worth it. WG has never been for levels. You've said it many times yourself; WG is a clan that depends on numbers. More importantly, we pride ourselves on having the "best community" out of all that clans. Becoming militaristic will effect that; it already has effected our thinking towards newer, and lower leveled members. If theres something that threatens that, then we should not move foward with it. No; we can do this without the levels. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:54 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | Don't really care actually. If its raised we perform better in wildy. If its not raised I still get kills in wildy. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:54 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
Stunning post. I agree all the way. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 02:58 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I have mixed feelings about this. I think at my level I'm safe from being kicked from a raise in requirements, so I'm thinking more about other people and I'm worried. I'd like to raise the requirements because it would make the clan stronger. It would show the clan world that we're not a "stepping stone" clan. It would say that we're not the place people go to to get known and then leave to go to some other "better" clan. We are good, and we can compete if we really wanted to, we just need to commit. Higher leveled people, who possibly have been in other top ranked clans would be more likely to show the commitment we want. All that would be great, but as one of Elias' cons stated, we'd become far to combat based. That is something this clan cannot abandon. It really does define WG. We do that and we basically say "Skills don't matter anymore." We can't do that, because then we'd lose one of the main aspects that make this clan so great. We would appeal ONLY to the war-lovers and at this time we'd not be able to attract them away from clans like VR, DF, or TT. It's a tough choice. I haven't voted yet. I'm leaning slightly towards a slight increase in the requirements, but just ever so slightly. EDIT: Just read BTO's post and he convinced me. I'm voting no. WG is a clan of numbers. We always had huge pulls to wars, and that was always what won it for us. We can stick it out as a 100+ clan. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 03:11 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Matt|Multi Group: Emeritus Posts: 668 Member No.: 49 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 12 | Absolutely not, we've done it before, and always ended up reversing it because of the negative effects its had on the clan. If one of our main calling cards is "The best community in the clan world", then why damage that by cutting out some great members, and some great potentials. Why sacrifice one of our greatest attributes, for some possible and probably temporary short-term gain? -------------------- Born at sea, baptized in blood your fame will never die. Your Division is one of the best if not the best division in the history of American arms -Gen George S Patton on the 45th Infantry Division  | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 03:27 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Billis Group: Clan Friend Posts: 113 Member No.: 1668 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 8 | What about if Wg enforced a total cmb level amount and a total level amount to get int? -------------------- "No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main.... Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 03:34 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
i like the idea --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 03:34 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 |
That was basically my suggestion. Only flaw about that is if people look at people that joined on skill level instead of looking at them as part of the whole community. That's how the skill sector vs combat sector etc was formed and that, although people make it sound worse than it was, didn't work out that well. One GOOD thing about this is anyone that isn't 105+ is either a skiller, or a person who doesn't play RS a whole lot. If we allow these skillers in to the clan, while keeping the combat 105+ we'll ensure active members. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 03:35 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
126 f2p cmb, 2000 skill total  Maybe have a warring + skill requirement. Like you know the old skilling requirements? Incorporate them into the requirements for this clan. Must have one of the following: Lvl 80 agility Lvl 90 fishing Lvl blah blah... -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||||
Raise the requirements?