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Quikdrawjoe

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:46 am

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Boogers102

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:54 am

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"The analogy civil or criminal is irrelevant to the issue. My main point which I think still stands is that if granted both agree to the consequences they are only causing harm to themselves."

How is it irrelevant? You went and tried to say that the severity of rape couldn't be compared to breaking the rules of runescape.

So I had to explain to you the difference between civil and criminal cases.

You don't own your account, you are only borrowing it, and when you get caught breaking the rules, jagex has the right to discipline the way they see fit.

Regardless on if you guys have a verbal agreement on it being ok to share accounts, YOU ARE BOTH BREAKING THE TERMS OF SERVICE. It wouldn't hold up agaisnt an appeal agaisnt jagex.

You signed a contract when you made your account, and that contract is binding.

Dealing with contracts has EVERYTHING to do with civil law.

Are you begining to see my point yet?

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VEPHYSAURAS

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:54 am

IRC Nickname: Vephy
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 6186
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Want to add copied and pasted the current rules written on website concerning this.

Obey The Runescape Rules

* Doing so gives us a positive reputation in-game
* You will not compromise your account or another member's account
* JaGeX will not consider our clan a threat to the game if we follow their rules.

True we have this in our Rules, but has the majority of Council followed them? Have the members? Should we ban everyone because we are all unfit rule breakers? Obviously not and as such the policy has always been a hush hush one but it has been there and been consistantly there.

The things I underlined are important. The issue inbetween has been talked about and like I said hacking is irrelevant. Both individuals know what they are possibly giving away and as responsible people we try to assume they accept the consequences of their own self inflicted harm.

I don't have much more to say other then that. Jon if you see a problem with it you are basically saying you see a problem with most members of Council and some members of WG in generally. This is a game, not real life as well and any comparison is a value.

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VEPHYSAURAS

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:56 am

IRC Nickname: Vephy
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 6186
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Joined: June 10, 2008
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QUOTE	Boogers102
	December 24, 2009 08:54 pm

I see your point. Just not your analogy as I have stated. Therefore it just doesn't compare to Real Life in the value of severity which I bolded several times over to try to stress my point. In that sense you have lost what you have originally tried to argue for, sorry.

okay break it down what I think your main issues regarding clan and why they don't hold.

Analogy: Not relevant
Severity: Real life consequences greater then Runescape
Clan: Most people have account shared, not practical.

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Boogers102

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:58 am

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I didn't have a problem with it until it was brought to my attention. and I didn't say anything about hacking so I don't even know why you keep bringing it up.

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Kyle

Posted: December 25, 2009 01:59 am

IRC Nickname: Darth
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 4601
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I'm not going to bother to read your paragraphs, tl;dr.

Just throwing that out there, you two

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VEPHYSAURAS

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:00 am

IRC Nickname: Vephy
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QUOTE	Boogers102
	December 24, 2009 08:58 pm

I didn't have a problem with it until it was brought to my attention. and I didn't say anything about hacking so I don't even know why you keep bringing it up.

Ya I never brought up issue of hacking, I was saying it was irrelevant if it was brought up.

I brought it up as a non-issue because I thought it would bring things off track, sorry if it was distracting?

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Boogers102

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:02 am

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QUOTE	vephyrus @ December 25, 2009 02:00 am)

QUOTE	Boogers102
	December 24, 2009 08:58 pm

I didn't have a problem with it until it was brought to my attention. and I didn't say anything about hacking so I don't even know why you keep bringing it up.

Ya I never brought up issue of hacking, I was saying it was irrelevant if it was brought up.

I brought it up as a non-issue because I thought it would bring things off track, sorry if it was distracting?

Wtf does that even mean. lol

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Fbi3255

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:12 am

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Council i think this thread should be moved to security forums.

Thankyou

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VEPHYSAURAS

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:17 am

IRC Nickname: Vephy
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QUOTE	Boogers102 @ December 24, 2009 09:02 pm)

QUOTE	vephyrus
	December 25, 2009 02:00 am

QUOTE	Boogers102
	December 24, 2009 08:58 pm

I didn't have a problem with it until it was brought to my attention. and I didn't say anything about hacking so I don't even know why you keep bringing it up.

Ya I never brought up issue of hacking, I was saying it was irrelevant if it was brought up.

I brought it up as a non-issue because I thought it would bring things off track, sorry if it was distracting?

Wtf does that even mean. lol

Lol. Win.

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Dorcha3377

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:20 am

IRC Nickname: Jenny
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Just lock it tbh.

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Chimpy

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:27 am

IRC Nickname: Chimpy
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Joined: November 16, 2008
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Imo sinks

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George

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:29 am

IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 9840
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IN AFTER LOCK.
Cba to say much more. I no law-y-er

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David

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:31 am

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Here are the facts:

- People WERE on Rachel's account.
- Jon decided to say that although training is good for the clan, she's not going about it the right way.
- Tweek disagreed and thought the ends justified the means.
- Account sharing is against Jagex rules, and in turn against WG rules.

That last fact alone should settle things about Rachel's account. It was wrong to let other people train for her. Jon was not wrong to say something about it.

Tweek was not wrong to voice his opinion, albeit he was fighting a losing fight. They were both within their right to say their two cents and be done with it. It became drama when Tweek decided to pull out the stops and going a bit to far.

I will say that I don't particularly dislike Tweek. He might not be a perfect fit into the WG puzzle, but he has success at his heart. He wants nothing more than success for WG and he just has a different way of going about it that we need to learn not to just antagonize. Sure it might not be what we're used to but there is no need to flame or taunt him either. Given that, he does cross the line at times and as such gets warning levels.

Asher, you're not seeing things straight at all.

Account sharing is AGAINST THE RULES put up by Jagex. This is not something you can debate. What you can debate are the merits and rewards of breaking the rules and whether or not the reward justifies the infraction.

You'd be an idiot to claim that account sharing is not "no honor" because it blatantly is.

Something pretty much every person in this clan needs to learn is to become more open and accepting of other people in every capacity. If someone doesn't conform, don't fucking bug them about it. If person A and person B want to get to point 1 but have different routes and most people agree with person A, person B isn't wrong, or weird, or an idiot. He just has a different vantage point and saying otherwise is pure ignorance and arrogance on your part. As with all situations there are times where the route is a bit strange, but it never warrants personal attacks or drama, just a back and forth discussion.

This is what tears WG apart over and over again - people's intolerance and people constantly jumping the gun. We're so trigger happy when it comes to "support" it's more like brown nosing and someone needs to say it.

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Kyle

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:31 am

IRC Nickname: Darth
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 4601
Member No.: 838
Joined: June 12, 2008
Total Events Attended: 558

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VEPHYSAURAS

Posted: December 25, 2009 02:38 am

IRC Nickname: Vephy
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 6186
Member No.: 813
Joined: June 10, 2008
Total Events Attended: 478

*cough*

Fact:
People on other Council member's accounts at some point in time.

Agreed on everything else. Brings up issues of honor and account sharing but lets not go there

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Stokenut

Posted: December 25, 2009 06:10 am

IRC Nickname: Stokenut
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I'd just like to say that account sharing happens.
It has done since WG was created and almost every leader is a culprit. Even Lordy and myself.

Infact I'd wager that almost every one of us have let somebody on our account at some point or another, be them WG member or not and for whatever reason.

Account sharing is against the Jagex rules because 12 year olds use it as a scamming technique. But very good friends and mature, trusted members of communities do share account details for whatever reasons from time to time.

Stop fucking whining about it and man up. It has fuck all to do with you what other people do and doesn't affect the clan in any negative manor.

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Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion.

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Challenge any creationist to a debate.
They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs".
I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research.
I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs".

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