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War Participation, Suggestion

Zhero06

Posted: May 13, 2008 08:47 pm

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QUOTE (Yingyang06 @ May 13, 2008 03:38 pm)

How bout we just settle this? Bring back the Sectors.

- Skills
- Fighting
- Combined
- Community

Or, seeing as wg is still recovering from the hit it took a while back, you can do your utmost to help bring this clan back into shape, before we split into two sections again. And even if we did split like that again, if you wanted to attend a war, again, don't complain when others take first priority is such matters.

So basically, what you're asking is for the same thing that you're currently getting, except without being asked to train to help the clan in a fight. Wow, and you say skillers aren't selfish.

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Spicy63

Posted: May 13, 2008 08:55 pm

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QUOTE (Yingyang06 @ May 13, 2008 08:38 pm)

How bout we just settle this? Bring back the Sectors.

- Skills
- Fighting
- Combined
- Community

No.

Sorry, don't me to sound so blunt, Lol.

But, no.

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Yingyang06

Posted: May 13, 2008 09:38 pm

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QUOTE (Zhero06 @ May 13, 2008 08:47 pm)

Wow, and you say skillers aren't selfish.

Skiller's are not selfish, Infact that is the way WG used to be run. If you wanna ask who is selfish look at all you posts "I want this, i want that". Now tell me who is selfish.. One person does not change the entire aspect of what people want. I may want the sectors back but that is my opinion, i am 1 skiller out of many.

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you can do your utmost to help bring this clan back into shape, before we split into two sections again. And even if we did split like that again, if you wanted to attend a war, again, don't complain when others take first priority is such matter

I do my utmost to help WG, i attend wars that need to be attended, i attend other events too, if you looked at my old activity before i left WG and rejoined i am always active.. I am active on IRC, RS, TS and Forums... I rarely see you at any events apart from wars. You seem to only care about waring.. I do not complain about others taking priority over me either, i am 113 f2p, if i am cut then i am cut, there are still other high levels to fight the wars.

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Zhero06

Posted: May 13, 2008 09:51 pm

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QUOTE (Yingyang06 @ May 13, 2008 04:38 pm)

QUOTE (Zhero06 @ May 13, 2008 08:47 pm)

Wow, and you say skillers aren't selfish.

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How am I being selfish by wanting the clan to succeed? How am I being selfish by wanting others to do what they can to help the clan succeed? Jesus, you really are a hopeless case. And just reread what I already said before about people just attending things. Unless you want me to repost it. And, if you do indeed do all that you can for the clan, then you wouldn't be taking offense to what I say. You wouldn't be making such useless posts in opposition to something that you obviously can't comprehend, judging from the content of what you have posted. If you do indeed go out of your way to give back to the clan through training, or if you don't complain about being cut, then what I say obviously does not apply to you. So why are you responding so negatively to my posts if what you say about yourself is indeed true? Why do you feel such a need to justify what you do, or rather, don't do for the clan?

And yeah, that's how WG USED to be run. Key word USED to. What happened to that Wg? That's right, it collapsed.

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Cameronm123

Posted: May 13, 2008 09:58 pm

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I like the idea Colonel, i can also agree that it would be hard to implement.

On the subject of skillers, all i can say is that alot of the high levels do not know what it is like to cut from a war. You come all geared up, expecting a fight, hearts pumping, then your beat out by some guy who is higher than you.

I have seen 120s that don't know how to tank,

-Gunsnblades level 104, he impresses me with the fact that he is one of the lowest levels there, yet he will always out tank anyone.

Along the skilling side, WG is based around a community, if they meet the requirements we should pressure them no more to train. If they have reached the requirements and they want to skill LET THEM.

Im locking this, as i can see some harsh words about to be exchanged.

Sorry Colonel

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Posted: May 14, 2008 06:03 am

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Re-opened, the original idea behind this suggestion is sound even if somone skewed it into an argument.

Please ignore his posts.

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Mistah Vince

Posted: May 14, 2008 09:56 am

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QUOTE (Cameronm123 @ May 13, 2008 04:58 pm)

I have seen 120s that don't know how to tank,

-Gunsnblades level 104, he impresses me with the fact that he is one of the lowest levels there, yet he will always out tank anyone.

It's true, Guns is a beast tank. And for that 120's that don't know how to tank comment, it's so ridiculously true it's not even funny. I'm horrible at wars. I can't tank for my life(literally), and I can't hug or anything either. I also don't even know what "Sniping" means.

so essentially, I'm a nubcake. xD

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rachellove9

Posted: May 14, 2008 10:36 am

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QUOTE (Zhero06 @ May 13, 2008 03:28 pm)

lower leveled skillers or people who don't want to train their combat to help the clan in a fight, over the more combat oriented player who gives some of his time to help the clan in something that ACTUALLY MATTERS if you could care less about that and would never want to do anything about it cause it will interfere with your "fun" in RS. Though I cannot imagine how you could ever find something like repetitive clicking of bow strings on unstrung bows, fun.) during a matched opts fight.

And to all those so opposed to training even the tiniest bit. Why in the world did you ever join a Raw ranked clan? Did you not know what Raw means? Rank at WARRING. If we are a part of that list, no matter what you think, a major part of our image is based off of what we achieve in wars. The success of the clan is measured by how well we do on that list. I know not all of you may feel that way, since you "only joined wg cause of the skill sector" blah blah blah, and for the community that WG has.

I'm going to say this. It is not fair of you to take advantage of said community, a community that only exists cause WG was founded for one thing, to protect the weak in the wilderness. That means we ourselves have to be strong. So what if the wilderness is gone and "protectors of the weak" are no longer needed? That is besides my point. I'm saying to start contributing to the clan's success in wars by training whenever you can instead of always cutting your little willow trees or whatever the hell you skill on. Cause fact, it is indeed selfish to do such a thing because that does not benefit the clan in the slightest bit while completely ignoring any request to help out a little by raising your combat a bit. It's like you want the clan to be there at your leisure, the community to be there where you can go in any time and have fun, but you're not going to put in some work when the clan asks you to?

"It's great that WG has an awesome community and great events for me to take advantage of, but no way in hell am I going to train my combat to help out the clan even more in a fight", is what you're saying when you flat out oppose training in a clan that was founded on fighting for the weak. "I won't give anything to the clan but expect everything in return", is what you're saying. "Oh but I make lots of posts in forums and am very active at events, how dare you say I never do anything for the clan" is what you will say. But again I point out, that is nothing more than taking advantage of the clan.

When all you want to do is show up for things, "have fun a little", then leave and go back to what you were doing for yourself? "Oh but I was binding", and? Take it from me, you don't matter when all you're gonna do is get ko'd due to your low combat level, ie low defense.

In shorter and more plain words for those who are apparently too dense to see what I'm trying to say. Some people don't have time to train, I understand that. Some people hate combat training, I understand that too. But understand this, when you are unwilling to do something you dislike, for the good of the clan, when you're unwilling to give some effort in improving your combat level to help the clan out as a whole, Yeah sure, you want to fight a war for the fun of it, but so does everyone else including those who put more time than you do into improving their own account to help the clan in a fight. Warring is the more combat oriented player's way of having fun, you already have all of your skilling and fun events, now you expect an exception to be made for you when you don't do nearly as much to contribute to the war side of the clan, over the person who actually does give a damn if we win or lose?

I'll make it simple and plain. Myself and other people like me who want WG to win every fight possible, don't appreciate it when people who would rather spend their time skilling instead of giving some time to help the clan by improving their combat levels, complain about not being able to fight and have fun. You ask to be allowed to fight? Well then, if you're going to ask that of us and are going to fight along side us, we only ask that you do your best to help us and the clan achieve a victory. And yes, that means training your combat. However, if you are unwilling to do so, don't expect us to be all chummy and let you in on a fight over someone who has spent that time to train in order to help the clan in a fight, more than you ever have.

Is doing nothing but training for 1 week straight before a war too much to ask of you? Is gaining 4 or 5 combat levels, really too much to ask of you?

Again, put up, or shut up. And if you still don't get what I'm saying after this post, then you are a lost cause irl and in rs.

Well after reading alot of what is being said, does this mean if I'm not working to get to be a lvl 120 in the next few months you want rid of me. I might be the one he is talking about taking advantage of the community.

Btw until now I didn't know what RAW meant. I love to click on my skills and watch my total lvl go up. My heart is not into killing other players. I would stink even at lvl 126 at war. I come to the wars just in case they need me, not because I want to kill anyone. I had someone tell me showing up and supporting the clan is important and fighting even at my lvl could be helpful even if I am ko because if I get a hit in.

If the clan really doesn't want skillers in the community, then change your rules and boot us all out. Tbh I love the people and have alot of friends now in WG.

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Zlatan83

Posted: May 14, 2008 12:56 pm

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In my eyes this discussion leads to nowhere at the moment, as said before we will be fighting in the Clan Wars League which involves Matched opts and Fullout wars.

I'm going to close this for now, if you want me to open it again then feel free to PM me or another Tertiary leader and your reasons why to.

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