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Posted: February 26, 2008 09:10 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79    | It's just training your combat up to 100... I don't why that is hard when you're both active and have a taste in skilling. And about events overriding eachother, I don't think that will happen unless it's a war. If there is a fun event, a raid leader wouldn't make a raid during the same time as the fun event. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 09:24 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 |
I don't care about my items mate  I'd gladly lose a set of guthans for WG. I just don't like fighting. You don't gain experience, you die and end up in Lumby. Then you can return to experience the same thing over and over again. I'd love to attend wars. That's fighting for WG truly, but you won't see me attending BH or any other events.I'm a skiller, and that's the end of it.  Besides that, I think this is what we need. Dallar -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 10:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
However, it happened to me as well. As soon as I had just trained for 6 months, the reqs were put up to 107+. I had 2 months to get it + after a load of combat training, I didn't want to train it for a while. My skills were seriously tossed to the side for a while. Those skills which I wanted to work on after I got to 100. Just the same thing as what tabs is going through. However, it is only lvl 90->100. I never said I will neglect skilling. I just merely sift in the fact that I like the wilderness more. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 10:54 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 |
Then raid leaders and event coordinators won't organize overrunning events. We're not as stupid as we look. -------------------- Sig? | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 11:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Me9 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 459 Member No.: 59 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 51 | George, that wouldn't happen. Unless, leaders are lazy enough not to check on other events first before making their own OR in a rare incident where there is a war, like Snow said in some post some time back. -Edited out: Misread lol-  --------------------   -The End- | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 11:18 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | Eugene, I am sure you are familiar with legal precedent of ex post facto? In legal terms, it is means a person cannot be convicted of a crime if it was done before a law was enacted. The law was passed after the fact. For example, in runescape the no advertising websites rule was not always around. It would be unfair then for Jagex to go through report logs and ban people who had advertised websites before the rule was made because the people advertising websites at the time had no idea that they were breaking a rule. So how does ex post facto apply in this situation? Entering into a clan is like an agreement: the requirements are clearly stated by the clan, and if a player meets those requirement they can gain admittance to the clan. The clan has every right to change its requirements when it wants, however the clan is being unfair--and biased for that matter--if it retrospectively applies current requirement to members who joined when the requirements were lower. Granted, many clans do apply their requirement ex post facto, however this is not something that should happen in a clan that genuinely cares about its members. As I stated earlier, contrary to popular belief, making older members train to meet current requirements is in fact biased. The reason that it is not not biased to raise requirement for new applicants is because they do not stand on an equal footing with current members. On the other hand most current members have earned their stay in the clan, and regardless of level have a right to be here so long as they do not break any rules that get them kicked out. Applying requirement ex post facto is of course biased because the only people it targets are low levels. No one else will get kicked out of the clan if they do not train. The only to make way to make this sort of thing unbiased is to require everyone to train or get kicked out, regardless of levels. Even if that was the case, it would still be biased because the leaders would not enforce it upon higher levels for fear of losing them. The bias against low level members is only tolerated when people care more about combat level than the value of the individual to the clan and community as a whole. You can't call me a whiner--I am already well above the requirements--but I can call many of you hypocrites, because if you were given the option of train or be kicked, you would probably complain as well. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 26, 2008 11:40 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | /tnuac waves a 'go karl' flag in support.
It would've been a problem with the sectors, seeing as the vast majority were combined. With no sectors, extra care is taken to avoid clashes. I have seen probably 1 clash in the whole time ive been in WG (before the sectors came out). -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:06 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gibble00 Group: Emeritus Posts: 775 Member No.: 100 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 9 | Once again, Karl makes a good point. I don't see a problem with having exceptions. Let current WG members who are under the new combat reqs keep doing what they're doing. The reqs will only affect applicants, not people currently in the clan. It saves up some frustration for both sides. Even if the members who don't meet reqs are given two months to train, that's still two months where they're under reqs... There's no magical way to make them meet the requirements, it just seems like a whole lot of work for someone like Tabs and the clan isn't really getting anything out of it as a whole. Higher combat levels across the board = good Higher combat levels amongst a couple members = nearly unnoticeable. Plus those members who are under reqs are part of the skills sector now, how much do we expect them to raid, if at all? --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:20 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: chip54321 Group: Emeritus Posts: 532 Member No.: 119 Joined: January 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 197 | O yeah, meant to ask this earlier, but: Will i have 2 re apply for guardian with these new rules? --------------------      | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:20 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | I did think about that Karl. The problem is, within the community that's acceptable. However to to outsider, it will be seen as a mark of inconsistency and perhaps bias. Furthermore, these exceptional people are prone to being hassled. They shouldn't be, but there are a few people who think it's alright to nag members to train combat. Chip, your rank stays the same, it just becomes the combined. Raid attendance is not forced on anyone Sygelig. You can choose to attend other events and not raids if you wish. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:40 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I hate the word "biased" and the words favortism.. whatever happened to the words or the phrase for the good of the clan. WG was built a long time ago, people were naturally lower levels, it was based on friendship and we ALL trained our asses off to help each other. What is wrong with training? We all do it or have done it. Why? Because we love WG we do what we have to, to help each other. That is the way it was in the "old" days when things were simple. Before everyone wanted equality and no bias. How is it being biased? When people joined up there was no fine print promising that things or reqs would never change. We have to change to survive, that much is clear. So honestly stop whining about it and get with the program, grow up a little and think of the good of the clan for a change. You would be surprised how rewarding that can be. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:49 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
**** the outsiders, we should be worrying more about the current members. For the record, I think it would tell outsiders that we care about our members and not just their levels. However that is not my main concern, as we would be a poor clan if we held the opinions of outsiders over the opinions of our own members! Enough rhetoric, lets vote on it. If WG members really do want to get rid of our low levels then I will shut up. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 12:55 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | I would rather let them stay at sub-requirement levels than let them leave. They mean a lot more to me than levels. Having them train, however, is the optional that causes the least problems. That's my ideal way out of the dilemma. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 01:01 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | For the good of the clan. Some people are getting confused and switching that saying around. We all had to train to meet the reqs of the clan that WE chose to join. Deal with it. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 01:16 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
That is reassuring to hear you say, however I was under the impression idea of this was to unify the clan? From this action we create two groups: Us (those over 100 combat, who are good respectable members who meet the ranks. Generally the higher the level we the better we are treated) Them (Those under 100 combat who are letting the clan down by not training, and can indiscriminately be called whiners) Responding to Dorcha...I agree with your basic premise, but I come to a very different conclusion. I remember way back when there was race to see who could get 100 combat. I think the top contenders were Terakern, Me, X Afflicted X, and Wrecknbreak. We all trained very hard, but we did not do so because we were forced to, we trained for fun and of course for a little GP. If I remember correctly we trained for our own enjoyment and from our own free-will, we did not force people to train, and we certainly did not call other members whiners for stating their opinions. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 01:18 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 | Regarding Fighting Events VS Skilling/Community Events. How many mini wars are proposed on short times? How often is it that some one comes in lobby and asks for a 5v5, 10v10, w/e on short notice? It's those sort of events that are likely to push aside a planned event. Figure out what to do for those. ~ Also, I do not like training combat. Getting over 60 slayer was enough of a pain. Doesn't matter any more. I'm getting the reqs, SO BACK OFF. Don't try to get me to do bh, or cw. I may attend clan wars. Bh would be more of a waste for me since I really don't care about pvp, and really blow at it. It would cause me to lose so much more than I gain (if anything). -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 01:39 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Wind, that's the idea. You'll never HAVE to raid. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 01:58 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Well I'm glad these decisions were made even though I couldn't make the Council Meeting. Now it's up to everybody from Council to Guardian to show special effort and motivation in the coming weeks. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 02:40 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | wind, the only real reason your being hassled is so that it sets a good example to the other people and because your a leader of a section of wg....lead by example they always say. Just take small steps you don't have to get it at the same time. Take it slow and train skills more than cmb, skill after every level or so to keep from dieing of boredom. Just persevere, im sure you can do it. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 03:23 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 |
A section that I already had the cmb lvl for. And yeah right. Train a little at a time? Not going to happen. I don't do things by halves. I'll get high enough that no req change is going to **** me over again. And then I'll see if I want to play rs any more. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 03:57 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon Group: Ex-Member Posts: 622 Member No.: 123 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 53 | Emeritus for me I guess. I knew I'd never leave WG, I'd be kicked out lol. I hope this all works out  Brandon -------------------- Ex-Wilderness Leader of WG. I'll always be here for the people that need me. RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 04:42 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | I'm glad this is happening, as I posted in Level 3 (Community Section) it will make the clan a whole, the council will focus on the whole clan instead of their individual sectors, hopefully this will help us a lot. Good luck to the council + Lordy when it comes time to switch the forum ranks over. BTW Steve, Sunday is the 2ND of March, not Monday. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 27, 2008 07:49 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 | I like them points Council must play runescape  and i think the sector merge is good idea and Nice sig stoke -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2008 07:52 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 |
Remember this one Gene. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 4, 2008 05:41 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I totally understand Winds point of view. Maybe an exp goal each week for us to get would be a compromise, so not left with a feeling of OMG I have to get all that killing or I'm out of here. My current goal is to be lvl 100 f2p and 1600 total lvl I work on combat at least 30 minutes a day even though I really dislike it About bh, I dont even know what it is really and I only went to the wild a few times before they ended pk just to see it . I dont think my personality is that of a true killer. I did enjoy going to clan wars though. It was less pressure for a non fighting person. I think it will be bad for the clan to force some of us into BH tbh. Once a month to BH would be like asking you guys to play barbies with your lil sisters for hours. Idk I hope really the clan isn't going to a non skilling clan. Both combat and skills together make the better players in rs imo. Its not just what your lvls all are or how good you fight that make people want to join. You guys are friendly, funny, helpful, and so much more. I have made one new best friend in rs from joining and if I have to leave I have that to thank wg for. <33333 --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
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