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Posted: January 29, 2009 08:56 pm  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499    |
Alright. Rick Hamm is SUSPENDED from the clan right now. You're telling me you leaked to him every single post on this topic? Seriously you guys, suspended means cut off from the clan. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 08:57 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
Rick is like that  He just makes it look easy being mean, but tough. I agree some points are valid, but hes entitled to his opinion, and thats all it is, opinion. --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 09:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | did i win yet -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 09:16 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | I don't think current council should be stating what timezone we actually need council from. People can decide that for themselves. Edit: I so much agree with rick. Even though he's suspended he honestly speaks so much truth. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 09:28 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | You guys are taking what Mugger said wayyyy out of hand... Seriously, take a deep breath. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact, there's been several posts on this topic such as "**** for council@@@" and "I hope *** apps!" However since Mugger is council I guess people have to make a big deal about it. He isn't saying that you MUST vote for a GMT person, he was simply saying that's why HE is voting. Take a chill pill -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 09:33 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | I vote Rick Hamm for council. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 09:57 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | when do i get my rank change -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 10:18 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Anyone that would like to support the we need to have unbias treatment feel free to use this as your signature.  Randy, don't try making light of it either. Reread it maybe a few times and your gonna see what he meant more clearly like we discussed already. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 10:31 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | i dont think posting that here is going to end well for you rach --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 10:50 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 |
Really isn't a nice thing to see =\ Pm Council about it, if that isn't enough, pm Elias about it. Where's the bias exactly? That Mugger would prefer a GMT Council? Mugger is only going to be one person voting among the rest of the clan. Sure he's Council, so he might influence others, but so can any other member. Even if some members are influenced, they chose themselves to be influenced. No one is going to be forced to vote for a GMT Council, lol. I greatly disapprove of that signature. Also, making fake applications to Council Elections isn't really funny, you probably had good intentions by making a fake application, but it really isn't necessary. Also, bringing the opinion of a Suspended member onto the boards is DEFINITELY not necessary, if he/she wants his opinion to be voiced, he/she shouldn't have done whatever he/she did to get suspended. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 11:12 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 29, 2009 11:16 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
LOL JUST LOL -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:11 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 | Although I think Mugger is a great guy, practically urging people to vote a certain way while making all other candidates feel inadequate is wrong. However I refuse to choose a side in this because it's already becoming clear that friends are backing friends when to be fair - this argument can be fought either way. But here are my two cents. I've always hated how Aussie members have been practically awarded positions in the past purely for being Aussie. If this happens with GMT I won't be pleased. The person Mugger has in mind manifests itself quite clearly in my opinion, although I won't name names. I remember when WG council used to be the ultimate dream, comparable in our small community to electing a new government. Friendly competition would consume WG for several weeks, banners would be made, speeches and motivational posts by applicants would follow. It was a competitive atmosphere and everybody backed their own "horse" for the big race. Nobody knew who would be the victor. But now it's... several paragraphs bashing the position, tight restrictions on who can apply followed by current council practically telling WG who they want to get the rank and posting their views to try and sway the other members to their way of thinking too. I'd like to make clear that council elections HAVE been rigged in the past. I know this as a fact. I won't disclose which election or by what leader. (The culprit of this rigged election is no longer in WG, neither is the benefiting member. Otherwise I wouldn't leak this). But my point remains - leaders have "stuffed the ballot box" before and it could happen again. For fair elections I would suggest a "WG Vote" account is made on these forums, to which all council members will have access. This way the votes cannot be changed or generated. Not that I expect they will be, but piece of mind goes far, especially for the applicants that aren't GMT. Another suggestion of mine is re-elections. I made this suggestion while council last time so don't see this as an attempt by me to open up ranks. It seems that right now councils can be elected and that's that. They are council forever. This has burned WG in the past. Most memorably after D-day when I was the only active leader in WG and our current councils, despite being inactive, refused to step down through greed. Hosting re-elections every 6 months would ensure the current members are happy with the leadership. If the council at the time are doing a good job then they have nothing to worry about - they'll just get voted back in. If they suck... well... we'll get a new face that maybe doesn't. I am not implying any of the current council deserve to lose their rank, you all do a fine job. This point is purely my view on the democracy of WG. I do feel the signature is a little too much and doesn't do anything but descent our already low morale and respect for leadership, right before a war too. That's not good and all it's likely to earn you is a suspension. As previously stated, I'm not picking a side. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:16 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | +1 to everything Steve said. Council elections used to be a huge deal. I loved that...it was so fun.. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:20 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | well said. but what is wrong with a simple poll on a topic? so it ruins the suprise, but then we can guarrentie no shift buisness. -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:21 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Yes, I've applied. But meh, we all KNOW exactly who has won this, before anyone app'ed. Im also not going to name, names. I would love the position. I really would, I think that I would do it really well aswell. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:32 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | To be completely honest, the person I have in mind will win no matter what. Its just a fact. Mugger's comment effects nothing; nearly all will vote for this person when it comes to the time. I don't think anyone during my time here anyone has had a better chance or deserves it more. Even though you guys may believe that Mugger is trying to get a GMT council, it really isnt in his power. Its OUR vote that counts. If he would rig the elections, he wouldn't need to for this one. I would be completely shocked if the person I have in didn't get this. I really don't see the big deal about this. If any other member said that, it wouldnt have mattered. Many of you are taking this WAY out of proportion, and the disrespect is astounding for a comment so insignificant. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 02:37 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Despite what you guys say about KNOWING who is going to win...that only happens if you vote for them. Which I am not going to do. No offense to that person. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 03:17 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | good luck evferoyne. dont take council lightly, its a dfficult role -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 03:47 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
LLL --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 03:52 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
Im with you on not taking sides. To be honest the person who Ive always voted for in every council election, in my 1 and 1/2 years of wg, has never won. and thanks for letting the cat out of the bag; or whatever that saying is xD -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 07:08 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | 1) Groedius I need to speak to you about leaking clan information to non-clan personell. We're getting VERY strict on this and so action will i'm afraid have to be taken. 2) Rick Hamm has been suspended for different reasons almost a week ago. Jenny as much as I respect you, I'd have thought you'd get your facts right before accusing me of trying to rig something :S 3) As a member of this clan I am fully within my right to support someone during a council election, by any means as long as I am not physically forcing people to change their mind. If I rally support by pointing out WG's greatest need at the moment, and the people who could fill that need, one, I ought to be trusted, as I'm one of the people who is supposed to know what WG Needs. And two, I ought to be respected enough to have an opinion and a vote of my own, which I do have. 4) The election is obviously not rigged... People vote how they wish. I have no idea why the vote never takes place on polls. I feel it would be a lot less drama and mistrust, but as far as I'm aware, they always get PM'ed :S 5) At bto has said, the best person for the job will win it, and as he also pointed out, I think the best person for the job is also GMT, which is a lucky convenience which will greatley benefit the clan. Any more questions/concerns, feel free to PM me. The fact that several people have accused me as being able to do things like rig the election, and accuse myself and the council of unfair bias, has greatly discouraged me. If anyone would like to call for my resignation, please, you may have it. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 07:12 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 |
That is very unlikely. -------------------- Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 07:45 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
I lol'd so hard. -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||||
Posted: January 30, 2009 08:20 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Anatcrafter Group: Emeritus Posts: 1419 Member No.: 69 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 292 | OK seriously what is up with all the snide and suggestive remarks here? Regardless of who someone has voiced their support for, it doesn't change the fact that every active member has the power to cast their vote. For those who like to nit-pick and compare WG to the WG of several years ago I'd like you to consider what you're actually doing. Past experiences always seem so much more appealing then the present which creates unrealistic comparisons. And while the past WG may have been more enjoyable for you, continual remarks that are not constructive only cause anger and resentment; not improving the clan at all. I can tell you that the vote is not going to be altered to favour a GMT candidate and seriously did you think any of the council would plan/let this happen? I'm surprised by some people's behavior here, really. If it was my decision I'd postpone this election because it going to cause so much scruitiny and mistrust if a GMT council is elected as well as hindering the chance of any GMT applicants based on the belief that they have an unfair advantage. --------------------  | ||||
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