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Posted: February 6, 2009 02:28 am  | |||||||||||||||
     IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64    | Oh one more thought, now that I have 97 mage, I can stand back and barrage! I remember the days when I was fighting toe to toe with melee and being killed by my own clan! Come on clan, chill out a little and try to have fun! WG  --------------------  WG love forever, Kristy  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 02:43 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | This was what I was talking about. Randy, the point I think is that we are moving towards having the double standard that will tear this clan apart. I understand that warring is what really earns a reputation in the clan world, but it isn't the only thing makes people join the clan. There is a difference. Our warring gets us known, but then people notice that we accommodate to both skillers and fighters and they decide to join. Obviously that's not the case with everyone, but I'm sure for some people that is how it happened. We can't put so much importance on warring, making certain things mandatory, handing out harsh punishments and such without doing something comparable to skilling events. I'm not talking about handing out bans for not going to ToG, but seeing as how we have more skilling events than combat, repeated avoidance of skilling events could have the same result as the skipping of a war. Whatever we do, we CAN'T have the double standard because then skilling vs. warring thing will be far worse than it has ever been. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:11 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I've seen heated topics with almost the exact same issue before in the past - How can WG be both a successful warring and skilling clan? I'm going to quote myself from z6 forums posted on November 24, 2006.
I find that the topic in which I posted that was very similar to this. Where do we draw the line between the warring aspect part of WG and our skilling aspect? Will we ever find that line? 2 and a half years later, doesn't look like it. Change we need. Look at all of the negativity members are throwing at each other over this issue. It is solvable? (I'm not sure where I went with this post but I tried to make a point) -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:56 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Useph Group: Guest Posts: 267 Member No.: 125 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | I totally agree with 1colonel1. I'm not bashing warring. I myself like coming to wars once or twice a month. But it seems like we're having war-like events now 2-3 times a week, and now, consequences if we don't come to the non-mandatory ones, simply because we don't want to waste our time with them and do something else on RuneScape. However, the argument is, we can't have a SINGLE mandatory skilling event because there's a select few people that thing skilling is totally awful. Skilling is basically everything in RuneScape that isn't PvP related. Everything from those weekly D&D events, to a game or two of Stealing Creation, to a group woodcutting & logburning event. It's virtually limitless, yet I don't see why certain people hate them so much, and WG won't support them. The argument of "Skilling gives us no reputation; warring does" is absolutely absurd. Sure, people join clans that seem fairly powerful in the clan world, but I doubt anybody tracks every single fight posted on RSC, keeping a tally of which clan wins the most or has them most often, and and then goes and joins the one with the highest number of them. If anything, a large number of people look for a clan with good Pk trips, meaning not PKRIs or Wars. It means where you go with your friends, and actually PK people. WG is probably about 60% warring/PKRIs (and practice events), 30% Raiding, and maybe a measly 10% skilling, as far as how much importance is placed on events. At the very least we should have an equal number of Raids as War/PKRIs. 40%, 40%, 20%, respectively, would be best. One last thing, technicality, rather. I don't count the Skill of the Week event as an actual event. This is like saying we're going to have a week long raid, but each member just has to spend some time in PvP during the course of the week. Obviously that would take the whole "Clan" element of a "Clan Event". -------------------- Goals 78/99  | 99/99  | 92/99  | 94/99  | 82/99  | 99/99  | 77/99  mIRC Guru  WG's #1 Pyromaniac | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 09:49 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Are you freaking serious Randy? Camp bandos and make up to 20m per day or lose 1m in a PK? The answer is pretty fucking obvious, I'd rather make money than attend these BS events. Just kidding  Almost everyone knows my stance in this, fully agreed. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 09:57 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Randy, some of us did join not knowing it was a war clan. That may seem odd to you but I was in WG long time before I knew what RAW was. When I joined I didn't even know RS had wars going on. This post got way out of hand. I read it all and if I got it right, we are a war clan entirely that only fills in our time with some skilling when we are bored. That was news to me. Rob, I don't think our event leaders agree with you about skilling being a joke. So I guess I'm one of those crap members your talking about that doesn't raid. I dislike killing monsters/pk and generally all killing. I'm training and trying to deal with it. My going to 12 wars, attending events, hosting, on irc, in his lordship cc, having ts, forum active, and generally willing to help out other members/intros and giving advice is nothing I guess. I am being judged entirely by my war/raid ability now. I think some people forget that there are many personalities that make up our community. If you want all people to be exactly the same and only have your opinion that become a cult, not a clan. Why am I training? I thought that my training would help the clan. I guess that I am not doing enough. I need someone to explain exactly what is wrong with me trying my hardest to improve and not wanting to attend raids til I am ready to do it. I don't want to just sign out or lie about being busy. The truth is I don't feel ready to do raids with the clan. Don't start with the well practice stuff or that this person does it. They are not me and I just don't feel ready. I'm coming on Saturday even though I hate the idea of it. I plan on staying 20 to 30 minutes and that is plenty of time for me to be at an event that makes me extremely uncomfortable to play. If when I leave I hear one person bash me, I am telling you now I will be upset. At least I am willing to put forth some effort to do as council is asking, even when I highly dislike and disagree with it. All this stuff about War vs Skilling is not needed. We are one community and that is what matters. We may have many sides to our personalities, but we all our in one clan. Try to respect each others views. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 10:47 am | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
You don't get 5 hilts in a day  --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 03:58 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
Short prep wars and raids were skippable if you didn't wish to. Even our weekly raids were. Also I never said I didn't like wars. I do but I want to remain to have the freedom to decide whether or not I go to short prep wars or raids. Also Randy, it's obvious when you've lost an argument. Admitting you were wrong at times is better than continueing to lose face. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:08 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 |
As I'm in school atm and no time to reply, I'd like to point out saying the other person lost is showing defeat itself, especially when the first 2.5 pages are filled with people backing me up and encouraging my actions. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:19 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
No, you lost as soon as you started using ungrounded and uninformed arguments and started posting ignorant posts. Curiosity was framed, ignorance killed the cat. Debating with someone who doesn't listen to reason when all his arguments have been debunked is as useless as trying to convince a die-hard Christian that God doesn't exist. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:24 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | don't really care if you start booting people for skipping wars....i never skip wars only because i don't want to, there's always a good reason for not attending a war. that would be good for the clan but a huge minus for the community --------------------  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:37 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 |
LOL, ok then, if that's really how you feel, I'm wrong. Too bad the council is sticking with thier decision, however. So yeah, while I'm wrong, I'll also be enjoying increased activity and better preformances out of WG. Have fun cutting trees with your private off. -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 04:44 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Like 99% of people will disagree with me, but this will never work, if we split up and have a skilling section, and a warring section, i dont think it would be fair to join both, as that would totally go against the whole point of it, that would mean members of the skilling section shouldnt go to wars or pks etc. And members of the pk are should not go to skilling events. Unless either side has invited the other side to join. I dont think it was fair to totally merge the skilling and pk areas together, as far as im aware there used to be a skilling area? That shoulnt have been put on the people who joined to skill like it was, makes it either a choice of turn up to mandatory raids pks etc, or leave/get booted. No matter how much arguing goes on here, i dont think you will come to any sort of solution. We are getting knowhere. --------------------    | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 05:01 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
Well isn't this a very childish response of a council member. Aren't you supposed to be neutral between skilling and fighting? -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 05:16 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Ubg Fcbruges Group: Emeritus Posts: 1209 Member No.: 1373 Joined: October 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 |
Maybe, but it's not our job to react on it  --------------------  Portfolio ~~ WG Emeritus - 20 November 2010 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 10 November 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Emeritus - 2 July 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Higher Guardian - 27 February 2009 ~~ ~~ WG Guardian - 12 December 2008 ~~ ~~ WG Trial Guardian - 30 October 2008 ~~ | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 05:27 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | More questions: Have we become a pking clan? Isn't raiding in a pvps world pking? What are we doing in the wild? There are no longer any innocents to protect. If you are in a pvp world you are there to do player killing. PERIOD! How many of you on the warring only side can wear the quest cape? (To wear the cape means you are an overall player good combat good skills.) When I joined the clan it was an antiRpking clan, "protect the innocent". And yes it seems with the changes Jagex has made we have to re-invent ourselves. So what is it going to be? WG -------------------- WG love forever, Kristy | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 06:15 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Raiding is one of the many activities WG Provide. On PvP Worlds, people skill for the bonuses - for example brawler gloves or empty spots. I don't like to think of there being sides in this clan... but I suppose as a warlord you could classify me as on a 'warring side', and I have a quest point cape.. :S ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 06:22 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | im from the eara of clans that "if theres a pk/war stop what your doing and pk/war" -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 06:26 pm | |||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Why does the drama llama have to show up on every single topic? This is the kind of post WG needs if we want to become a respectable (by RSC standards) clan. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 06:36 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Well, from personal experience, it's nearly impossible to have active warring/PvP and skilling in the same clan, this is why community clans tend to suffer from huge amounts of e-drama. As David said somewhere in the post (Sorry, would take a huge time to find it ), we should focus on mandatory events instead.Obviously, for reputation purposes, RAW rank wars and maybe the long prep PKRI's should be mandatory. Short prep wars, raids, SOTW, Combat SOTW, Skilling and community events should be optional but You have to attend one of the events mentioned above 2 times a week. This way, our PvP and skilling events will have an increased amount of activity in both types of events, and both the skillers and PvP'ers will be happy. Personally it does pain me that it has to be this way because I mainly clan for PvP and Community (As in, not skilling, but I still do it for the clan), but it's the way I feel it has to be done. This has been suggested multiple times by myself, colonel, and others in the same form or a similar one. Please consider it carefully, and if people have trouble with timezones then all I can say is: If you have the time to play 'Scape, then you have the time to organize an event that suites your time too, which helps our Event Leaders as it makes the burden of more events less on them AND still makes you able to meet the mandatory amount of events. Honestly, if someone complains about not being active enough to attend these events, then become Honoured Emeritus, who are actually allowed to play 'Scape a lil without any type of event attendance required. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 08:32 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 |
Dearheart, no offense intended. You are an exception. Look at me I have 99 str, attack,def and hit, with 96 mage and 91 range, but I am a very very bad pker. That is one of the reasons I want to see the skilling side survive. Will I war, yes, but unfortunately I will never be good at it. But I will be there. Am I crazy about stepping foot in a pvp world, absolutely not. My hands go numb and I am not kidding. I hate being hunted for sport! Not that I don't support all of you who love it. Point is I am always here for my clan. WG PS Remember I am not council, mod or event leaders, so why not lighten up on those of us who are happy to fill in the ranks? -------------------- WG love forever, Kristy | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 09:20 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | Starz  Don't be the hunted! Be the hunter!  -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 7, 2009 02:10 pm | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Starzhine, I agree with you. I am maxed combat but I have never warred or pked and I do not plan to ever do the latter. In wars, I feel that I too am the hunted but I am trying to turn that around. TY mugger.  -------------------- | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 9, 2009 01:53 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Starzhine Group: Emeritus Posts: 447 Member No.: 218 Joined: February 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | you Mmangler. *Big Huggles* -------------------- WG love forever, Kristy | ||||||||||||||
Posted: February 9, 2009 04:43 am | |||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
QFT, and just as an aside I have had the quest cape since it came out along with a higher overall than some of the skillers, but don't tell anyone it will ruin my rep. Wouldn't want people thinking I skill or anything like that.  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||||||||
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