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 Keanu the Historian
 
His_Lordship
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:16 pmTop
   
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 Thanks Lee for the mature response. I'll leave the comp, cool down, come back and post a decent reply.
 
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theboy126
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:17 pmTop
   
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 Honestly Gene, I think Keanu cause just be a normal guardian rank. Non less, we took him back in a heart beat like nothing never happened. My point is, he caused a lot of tension in this clan and sometime we got blamed on.

I don't know what to say or think to be honest. I understand how much you guys are good friends and all, but when he wasn't in WG he tryed to ended us the best way HE can. Then he comes back, and everything is fine? I think he's being treated as a kid. Not saying he is one, but being treated as one.

-Joey
 
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Garrett
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:19 pmTop
   
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 The Clan feels strongly about something and 3 people disagree about it, emeritus and the members know whats right in the case, and the leadership is blinded by the beautiful gazelle that has come upon us. Keanu doesnt need the rank, the rank is the same as a guardian rank, but has its own special name and powers. In that case, Vephy brought a good point. If hes good at PvM, why doesnt he get PvM storian? Dont bring up immaturity up because you just taunting kat and trolling and bringing us all of topic about elite guardians and such.

Point is, Emeritus who have had leadership spots before are implying you shouldnt make this choice, and you couldnt care less. I suggest you lock this topic since its going nowhere other than leaking important level 4 topics that are private for a reason.
 
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His_Lordship
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:21 pmTop
   
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 I dunno Garrett, that itself has implications. If I lock it would I be seen as a leader trying to silence those who oppose his decision? As long as this doesn't descend any further I want to try and keep it open.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:21 pmTop
   
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 You just insulted our council, our staff and our members. you insulted our elite guardians. You lost all of my respect.
 
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Lee
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:21 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: His_Lordship May 28, 2011 10:16 am
       
QUOTE: Quikdrawjoe  May 28, 2011 03:06 pm
Just because you trust him doesn't mean the rest of the clan does.  The majority tends to be right and unless Keanu's job is to kiss your ass twice a day and three times on Sundays I don't really see what his job is.  There is no other conclusion to jump to when you trust matters with him you don't trust with the council.  I don't recall giving Keanu that right.  He has done nothing to earn it or deserve it  unless you consider kissing your ass to count.  If that's the case though I'm sure we can find a whole group of people willing to do it for the similar rights.

The rest of the clan should trust him. The majority tends to be right SOMETIMES, and sometimes, they are dead wrong. Please DON'T kill me because I was the first one to say the Earth revolves around the sun. The majority tells me only one thing, that many people are displeased. It is no indicator of who is right and who is wrong. Only facts do that.

My trust is not a "right" that council automatically get. Since the knives are out and we're all stabbing each other to death, here we go.

If Keanu leaves WG, he wouldn't hurt us. I could tell him one thing or another and it will stay with him.

There is a small handful of people. Perhaps 5-10, that I can be absolutely sure would not betray WG if they got upset at this clan. If I pissed off, for arguments sake, Kevin, would he keep our sensitive information, or would he lash out and use it against us? Think of Dalejamesw and Mugger84, two ex-council who went rogue and abused council information to do a number of bad things to this clan. Think of the high council turn over rate. They come in, they go out. So who can I trust?

I CAN trust Keanu. It is proven that no matter how hard the trolls of this clan batter against him, he will not betray us. He has a heart of gold, and you have all convinced yourselves that I only like him so much because he sucks up to me. FALSE.

Nobody gets anywhere by kissing my ass.
If he gets Historian it is because it benefits the clan, and nothing else.

Trust is earnt, not just given. Your forgetting the 5mil he SCAMMED me off. What was done? Nothing. warn level. Warn levels mean shit now-a-days.

I have left numerous times. Ever seen me leak shit? Naa didn't think so.

The only reason Keanu was ever given the chance for you to trust him, was purely because he kissed your ass.

Nice leaking of level 4 btw. Im sure randy wanted the whole clan to read that he 'blackmailed' you. Im sure thats going to go down well.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:24 pmTop
   


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QUOTE: His_Lordship May 28, 2011 03:16 pm
The rest of the clan should trust him. The majority tends to be right SOMETIMES, and sometimes, they are dead wrong. Please DON'T kill me because I was the first one to say the Earth revolves around the sun. The majority tells me only one thing, that many people are displeased. It is no indicator of who is right and who is wrong. Only facts do that.

My trust is not a "right" that council automatically get. Since the knives are out and we're all stabbing each other to death, here we go.

If Keanu leaves WG, he wouldn't hurt us. I could tell him one thing or another and it will stay with him.
There is a small handful of people. Perhaps 5-10, that I can be absolutely sure would not betray WG if they got upset at this clan. If I pissed off, for arguments sake, Kevin, would he keep our sensitive information, or would he lash out and use it against us? Think of Dalejamesw and Mugger84, two ex-council who went rogue and abused council information to do a number of bad things to this clan. Think of the high council turn over rate. They come in, they go out. So who can I trust?

I CAN trust Keanu. It is proven that no matter how hard the trolls of this clan batter against him, he will not betray us. He has a heart of gold, and you have all convinced yourselves that I only like him so much because he sucks up to me. FALSE.

Nobody gets anywhere by kissing my ass.
If he gets Historian it is because it benefits the clan, and nothing else.

I don't trust people who smile too much or kiss ass. Don't be the first to kill me because I said with his attitude and behavior he wouldn't last in WG. You tell me only one thing that I should trust him. He has not earned my trust or 99% of WG, he shouldn't get special treatment because of the 1% that does.

Honestly, the way you treat council and most of the people in this clan I'm not surprised you can't trust them. Shit like this topic where you question their judgement and their loyalty to WG would piss me off too. Your own actions are the reason for the knives are out. When you give Keanu special treatment you stab everyone else in the clan in the back. Topics like this and your responses only twist the knife in deeper.

the only reason Keanu is getting historian is because he kisses your ass. If it was a matter of the most benefit to the clan you would let the issue go, and nothing else.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:24 pmTop
   
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 I'm also done talking about whether or not I trust council. The official stance is yes I do. I trust my council a great deal. In most respect, I trust them to run a clan better than Keanu could. I trust them to be more mature than Keanu.

But on the whole, I can trust Keanu to love WG more than anyone else, maybe even me. For this trait, he is suited to historian because only he would do the great deal of work that accompanies the rank.

EDIT: Joe you are remarkably good at taking my words and changing their meaning. I have not once said I don't trust my council. I just said I trust Keanu more. You took that and warped it into "I don't trust my council" to fuel your own propaganda. And you sit there marveling at how I don't listen to you and anyone else who behaves like you. I can pick out several other examples too.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:25 pmTop
   
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 Ok, I see this going far and far away. I'm asking this as a neutral person in this: Can someone PLEASE end this fucking meaningless useless debate by simply closing the topic? This won't get us anywhere but losing members by ragequits.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:25 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: His_Lordship @ May 28, 2011 10:16 am)
Thanks Lee for the mature response. I'll leave the comp, cool down, come back and post a decent reply.

Unsure if this is a troll aimed at me or not? Ill take it as its not.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:26 pmTop
   
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 I don't understand how you can trust someone this close to when they quite recently set out to end the clan.

Only thing I can think of is at the RL meeting he filmed you giving him head.

It's like an ex girlfriend that tried to kill you and now your just taking them back and asking them to marry you with everyone else warning you not to but your going to do it anyway so there seems to be no point.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:26 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: His_Lordship @ May 28, 2011 08:21 am)
I dunno Garrett, that itself has implications. If I lock it would I be seen as a leader trying to silence those who oppose his decision? As long as this doesn't descend any further I want to try and keep it open.

read my post, think, then tell me what you think.
 
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theboy126
Posted: May 28, 2011 03:26 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Bgpgraebner @ May 28, 2011 10:25 am)
Ok, I see this going far and far away. I'm asking this as a neutral person in this: Can someone PLEASE end this fucking meaningless useless debate by simply closing the topic? This won't get us anywhere but losing members by ragequits.

listen to the link and re the comment Bgp. Really dude.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:27 pmTop
   


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QUOTE: His_Lordship @ May 28, 2011 03:24 pm)
I'm also done talking about whether or not I trust council. The official stance is yes I do. I trust my council a great deal. In most respect, I trust them to run a clan better than Keanu could. I trust them to be more mature than Keanu.

But on the whole, I can trust Keanu to love WG more than anyone else, maybe even me. For this trait, he is suited to historian because only he would do the great deal of work that accompanies the rank.

As compared to the members who've been with WG almost as long as you have... I'm sure they appreciate that also.

Considering if he loves WG so much he would do it without having a special rank and all the special topics from you I don't see why he needs historian then.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:29 pmTop
   
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 Alright I'm going to take the hint.
We need to cool off.

I'm closing public discussion on this for now, to be resumed at a later time when there *isn't* a war looming over us.

The matter is not yet settled but people have gotten too riled up for any merit to come out of discussion right now.

EDIT: To your post below Joey. WG has done this before... used numbers to assume they are right. They are reassured by the majority, making them seem more powerful. Whether or not you comprise a majority or not, I must approach this situation with facts, so for the love of God stop throwing the numbers in my face. It does not factor in to my decision half as much as the plain facts do.
 
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Posted: May 28, 2011 03:30 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Quikdrawjoe @ May 28, 2011 10:27 am)
QUOTE: His_Lordship May 28, 2011 03:24 pm
I'm also done talking about whether or not I trust council. The official stance is yes I do. I trust my council a great deal. In most respect, I trust them to run a clan better than Keanu could. I trust them to be more mature than Keanu.

But on the whole, I can trust Keanu to love WG more than anyone else, maybe even me. For this trait, he is suited to historian because only he would do the great deal of work that accompanies the rank.

As compared to the members who've been with WG almost as long as you have... I'm sure they appreciate that also.

Considering if he loves WG so much he would do it without having a special rank and all the special topics from you I don't see why he needs historian then.

I agree with Joe on the second of his thoughts.

And kat is really upset what is happening and how often does she get upset or mad? I don't blame her. Leechable's responses are nothing about Keanu and he's giving you a point that he was also a bad influence towards this clan in a way. Pyro's comment should be meaning full to you Gene? Don't you see what he did to you.

Not trying to flame or anything, this is what people are trying to show or prove to you Gene.
 
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