hai starz i love you

also when wg disbanded the reqs for DG were 75

and from there i had to train 25 lvs to stay in wg

thankfully i wasnt rushed but i still did it cus i hated being the one bringing everyone down

Huggles to you!!!
 
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WG love forever, Kristy

Sorry, it was the other way around. WG got worse with the raise, and improved when they were dropped. Obviously the improvement isn't instant, but eventually (a month?) it got better I believe.

The day I apped, there were around 4 other apps, after a couple months, the req's were dropped and there were hardly ANY applications, WG went through a drought. It was only after we got rid of sectors did the clan get anybetter.

The sectors were around right after the D day of RS?? Do you think not having a wildy could of been more the issue then the skill/war sector? Sometimes timing has a lot to do with it.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~

what is it?!
 
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"If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0"

That's exactly what was said when the requirements were lowered in Sept. 2007. Do we need higher requirements so we war better, or lower requirements to preserve the community? The cycle never stops.

At least someone remembers the old requirement raises.
Such a shame I have to prove this theory every year to show the newer guys.

Yea, I used to be one of them too, but I have learned.



VOTE NO TO REQ RAISES

AMEN! I'm glad I'm not the only person who remembers.

DANGEROUS WATERS! That's like, "if you love me you'll work your ass off while I sit at home on the couch watching soaps; and you can make your own dinner asshole." Any relationship is based of mutual respect, even if it's between a member and their clan or a clan and its members. I don't care how good the sex is, that's a seriously fucked up relationship.

If respect is only deserved by "dedication" which is measured by how many combat levels you're willing to get to stay in a clan, it's not lack of loyalty that makes people quit. It's the realization that the clan isn't what they thought it was when they joined up. Disillusionment SLAUGHTERS us every time something like this happens, which is why all the off-shoot clans that I know of with roots in WG came out of these situations.

I am still in favor of making the sector system work, just like I was two years ago, but without using sectors. Just allowances. Skillers get their events, raids and PKRIs are optional but war attendance is still emphasized (like for Emeritus). Everyone else nothing changes, except members over 115 who get stressed (not a bad thing) playing all the time with lower levels around will get an additional forum and can host their own PvP events that's restricted to +115 (they could also pursue capped fights against other clans if applicable; 115 is an arbitrary number btw).

These events could be held twice a month or however it works out. We still share forums, we still share practically every event, and we preserve our community and ideals while still being able to cater to the high level segment of the RuneScape population. Also the increased prestige of attending the +115 fights would put a healthy (and optional) emphasis on combat training which would be a perfect time to incorporate another system like OPH.

Like I said when I got Emeritus, if we make allowances for skillers again you'll get my application in tomorrow morning before 9AM. If there's too much busywork involved, tell me what to do and I'll help do it. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, and I believe this would work perfectly if we believe in it. This would make us attractive to every player category (skillers, low-combat rpkers, and higher level "elitist" players <-- again not a bad thing).

But yeah, I promised not to go apeshit this time around. Whatever is decided I'm cool with. Just please, keep us in the loop this time. Tell us what you're thinking, and why you might decide not to do things the way we think they should be done. But yeah, I'll behave. Hopefully.
 
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Sounds like an epic idea and I really think the leaders should look into it. Personally I'd train to get into the "elitist" group and I'm sure others would also that wouldn't meet it's req.
 
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I've never done anything like this before, but don't you think that it'll hurt the community?

Basically all it would be doing is saying, "115- are terrible and don't deserve to be on the same level, go to the same events, participate in the same wars, and use the same forums as 115+."

I'd personally feel more cut off if I couldn't do anything with 115+ as half the clan is 115+. I'd rather have the requirements raised to 105+ and have me forced to train to achieve that rather than be cut off from half the clan.

So my point is that by making sectors of the clan or giving different levels different events and different forum access, how would that help the community? Wouldn't it ultimatly hurt it?
 
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I've never done anything like this before, but don't you think that it'll hurt the community?

Basically all it would be doing is saying, "115- are terrible and don't deserve to be on the same level, go to the same events, participate in the same wars, and use the same forums as 115+."

I'd personally feel more cut off if I couldn't do anything with 115+ as half the clan is 115+. I'd rather have the requirements raised to 105+ and have me forced to train to achieve that rather than be cut off from half the clan.

So my point is that by making sectors of the clan or giving different levels different events and different forum access, how would that help the community? Wouldn't it ultimatly hurt it?

It all depends on how it's handled. Ideally, the only restricted events would be 1-2 per month for members over 115 combat (or 107, or 110, whatever would be decided). Skilling events would cater to skillers, however anyone in the clan could go to them. Likewise, raids and PKRIs would cater to Rpkers, but anyone in the clan could go to those as well.

Effectively, we'd be sharing every event except for the 1-2 a month reserved for higher-level members. We wouldn't even need unique event forums now that I think about it, just two new topic prefixes like Skill: or 115+: (for example). Just an idea though.
 
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If combat levels show dedication then Tabs and myself should be well covered. We both have trained a lot over the past year. We still take crap from people bashing us for not being the level they want us at. It does make me feel a bit like "Why Bother?" I get to the next level and it is well you need to train to show your dedication to the clan. Sorry, but where does any one have the right to judge the lower levels?

I think we already have an elite WG group anyway. Most of them are 120+. They are awesome to watch when I get cut at a matched war and really I enjoy watching more than I enjoy playing it. There is nothing wrong with me, I just don't enjoy killing. I've just finished day 26 of 100 on improving my combat. I still don't enjoy killing. I could be maxed and I don't think it will change much about the inner person who doesn't like to kill.

Look at the people that quoted their beginning levels in WG and how long they have been members. Aren't these some of the people we look up to. Knowing BTO had to work his but off and still he is with the clan says something about him as a member.
I can agree with you on all of this. I'd be so less stressed out and able to be better in the community, if I didn't have all this war performance pressured on me. I joined as a skiller and would love to see the sector brought back with well thought out adaptions. Sometimes, knowing what didn't work gives you the ability to make it work in a new way when you try it over again.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~

I joined WG (not DG) at 80 combat. I joined as a Skill Sector member. I had 70+ rc and crafting. (78 & 72 at the time). I worked hard to get my str up to rank, and have it show for my combat on forums. I did a LOT of slayer then...

From my application to WG on Z6 forums. (updated smilies, but no other changes)

looks like he meets runecraft + crafting.
wow thats an amazing app
gl mate

She*. You guys all suck at reading

Good luck in entering, I can see you certainly put 100% effort into your app.

I voted for not raising the requirements. There are a lot of arguments for it, but none of them really have much beyond "oh, it will make us better at warring" or "you'll do it if you love us." Want to know what happens when you do something you don't want to do because people you love force you into it? You start resenting it, hating it, and eventually, hating them. Don't push the lower combat levels to train. Don't exclude them from god wars trips, don't say they suck at wars. We already know that. Rubbing it in our faces only makes us unhappy and resentful of those who are our friends.

And all the old topics... Of what happens when requirements are raise? Still hold true now. Don't raise them.
 
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Complete truth. There are a few exceptions though. Exceptions aren't a bad thing, in fact our "exceptions" are actually some of the great members of WG. But for us skillers, we tend to get our combat up slowly but surely. I remember joining WG at 90 or 95 (with a skill requirement). I NEVER thought I'd get to be 110. Granted, 110 is considered low nowadays, but its an improvement from before. And I plan to go higher and higher, I just have some priorities in Runescape such as questing and achievement diaries.
 
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Most of that majority hasn't posted a good reason supporting it.

I train better when not pushed.

When the sectors were abolished, I couldn't stand training combat. I also was hating myself when I didn't, because I was below requirements. How could I (at the time Event Leader), feel like I deserve any respect as a Tertiary (at the time) if I didn't even meet requirements?
Except I still hated training combat. Yet if I didn't train, I hated myself more. But when I did train, I started not wanting to play rs. Vicious cycle.

I don't have to worry about that any more (how the hell did I get so high a cmb???)... But I still don't like the idea.
 
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