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Posted: February 23, 2009 02:11 pm  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132    | Right now, there are three major stances over the new requirements: PvP'ers and Warrers: Wants higher requirements Skillers and low levels: Wants to keep the current requirements Leadership: Wants to raise reqs without major unrest and to keep recruitment advantage of attracting low levels who have interests in other clans. Posted this on IRC multiple times but it wasn't seen so I'll post it here. Let's do a fair compromise, read it carefully: We keep all current low levels AND current trial guardian requirements WITHOUT pushing them into training, but at the same time we introduce 5 rune set requirements for F2P, 10 rune set requirements for P2P AND 105 F2P Graduation requirements/102 with +90 range and +90 defence While STILL not affecting current trial guardians There we go, Low levels won't have to worry, PvP'ers get a fair compromise on PvP and Leadership still keeps our low level recruitment advantage. Remember, we all had to make sacrifices but it's for the good well being of the clan. Copyrighted 2009 by Olly, Mike and Lee. All rights reserved, Copy a bit out of this and you'll no longer have what makes you a man. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 02:12 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | This was my suggestion in the irc discussion we had so yes i agree. good post mike. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 02:15 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Same old thing. Why can't you just be friendly and get the lower levels to train. Stop pushing a bunch of useless rules that only anger people. The ohhh you don't have to train is sooo unbelievable now that I pay no attention to that crap when I see it. Steve took me to daggoneths Omar to KBD Rick to Iron Drags Nolan to Ghouls Andrew to Fire Giants in the wild Dave to big Spiders the list goes on... these people did something to get me to train not some useless post or rule that would just make me feel hostile and defensive. Get the idea that being friends is by far the better way. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 02:17 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Have you actually read a single thing I said? I was talking about graduation requirements not current members training. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 02:18 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
Traning is training. It doesn't matter who you want to push to do it. You go about it wrong. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 02:22 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
And how am I pushing people? It's the future members (And not current trials) that lower our average down. When they join they'll know that we require 105 for graduation and thus, they agree that they'll train when they apply. Keep in mind, we have dropped a lot of what we requested when we made this suggestion. Why can't you just drop THREE combat levels, even when it doesn't involve ANY current member. We've been stuck at 116/115 f2p for over half a year now. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:01 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | the whole point of a clan is making sacrifices for it, to make the clan better. I would welcome the new 10 set req. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:02 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Tbh, Im with Mike. I think raising the graduation reqs is a good idea. Ollys idea for the range tanks is good aswell, because there epically handy in wars, especially when there good tanks. Like other clan piling a 105, and he tanks them aswell as a 126. Its epic. Gives us an advantage. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:07 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | as lee has said, watch clans pile dave or majeic. they tank for alot longer than if we just said "wg is a non pure clan" there "pure" range tanks. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:36 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | I've said this numerous times already.. I think the problem is that maybe we should get a new training programme for newer guardians that they have to make within a month maybe 2 of WG. To get them to higher combat, or maybe something like a 107Cmb to graduate.. They do have a month. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: February 23, 2009 03:39 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Thats exactly what's going to happen if this is implemented They have one month to graduate after joining at 100 F2P, they train up to 105 F2P and they're in. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:39 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | It is currently a requirement to be 102 F2P Combat before you graduate. If we up it to 105... then trials only have 4 weeks to go from 100 F2P ---> 105 F2P.... a bit of a short time don't you think? - Especially when they have to prove their activity by attending loads of events and stuff. ~George --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 03:50 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
No way lol, it's like 100k xp at level 80 melee stats (Thats the typical 100 combat), you can get like 300k xp without no lifing at their levels. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 04:31 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | 105 is 85-85-85 with 60 pray. not hard t do. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 04:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | We can't expect level 100's to get 5 combat levels in the one month they have to graduate :| -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 04:48 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | This is edging your way into the higher tier in levels. Subtle but certainly intentional of course. But take heed that there's only that much you can edge. 2 scenarios will happen: (1) Trials graduate in this trend, more trials graduate in this trend, the numbers build and the less pro-combat group gets edged out. Unless there's partiality for those who are combat level under the required at the time of implementations. Slowly but surely, you move into the higher tier combat group as a community. You lose the sheen of an all rounded level clan. Make no mistake about that, you move forward you lose something behind. (2) More trials graduate this way and become full fledge members, if you go hardcore, you start kicking in the long run. Loyalty becomes a question of time in service and dedication to making it in levels. We've been through this. Its nice to nudge the message into the young bloods, without the inkling of "affecting" the current. But in the long run, you will start to make sacrifices. There are top clans that fights for tops everytime, it never ends, always like some circle of exchanges. Megamoth A takes 1st spot then its Megamoth B then its A again and its C then back again to B. It's a very nice target, but when you get there you'll realise you might have lost something that you cannot have for being busy with tops, going back down again will be virtually unacceptable. So, if this is the way you all want it to be, then be very conscience for this inevitable sacrifice and its not short term, it will be long term. And most likely cannot be reversed. Just need to look at the power clans and communal clans. Being steady in the "middle" is rare. When you've already achieved that middle, its actually golden, if only you could see all sides. I know this is nothing yet an idea moving into a high power house, some will argue. But while anyone of you harvest and push forward all signs of combat raise, just be mindful - you will leave behind something you cannot take back. That all rounded "golden" replaced by joining the defined numerical tops. A 2 cents out of the blue but in all open thoughts. Cheers. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 04:51 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Not seeking the top, top is never suited for a community clan. Just want to do proper PvP with clans and not get out levelled and out returned all the time. Powerhouse isn't 105 combat honestly. I know lots of community clans with +105 Combat, one big example is TBE, Gladz and THE, all don't PK THAT often and are mainly a community clan (Does skill wars too) -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 04:59 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 |
Yes, I certainly know you mean that. That is why I have highlighted once you move the current level, you are moving higher. With that it will take you closer to the highs. Sooner or later. There's a threshold to levels, beyond that, you either need to go further or fall back. In most cases, you won't allow yourself to fall back. And there's that comfort zone that allows you to exercise either way. There are reasons why the levels stayed this way this long. Move that and you will be inclined to move more ahead. I had once been an ardent supporter of encouraging training up to 105 during OPH. Encouragement is different from imposement. But, in general, while its really a gladness to train, one realise it is in appreciation to allow a good spread in levels that actually prove to be more harmonious to the community. It is an intrinsic affair to appreciate. There's really no right or wrong, but more of matters placing which values over another, each bringing its own consequence and reaps. All I am saying is, just be mindful and do what you think is mindful after considering all possible aspects without sacrificing what's most important afterall. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 05:36 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | No. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 05:43 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
Care to elaborate? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 05:46 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ^Dave^ Group: Ex-Member Posts: 735 Member No.: 1616 Joined: January 4, 2009 Total Events Attended: 23 | Lee = nh Sounds good to me --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 06:19 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | The way i see it, current skill members are safe, train when they like, if they never do, thats there choice, that shouldn't bother anybody. They are happy being here for the community and not the rank in whatever event we are. However its not the same the other way round, for the members who enjoy the pks we NEED higher levels, this will encourage more to come because in theory people can tank longer, making fights last longer, and the whole enjoyment of the fight alot more fun. Raising the requirements doesn't affect anybody but the pvp'ers. People will register, intro, and apply knowing exactly what they need to achieve. If i can get from 115-117 in a month, somebody can get 102-105. Its like a quarter of the XP. All in all for members to enjoy and be more motivated to pvp with the clan, we need more levels, it helps everybody. And really doesn't affect the skilling section. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 06:25 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Well made post. However, I assure you the new requirements suggestion is meant to be a permanent unchangeable fix. I know you believe that we may aim for higher in the future but that wouldn't happen unless a huge Jagex update threatens the clan's survivability. Many Clans, especially The Gladiators and The Death Monkeighs had a permanent rule of not changing combat above the requirements that were suggested, The Gladiators has been +107 for a long time, and The Death Monkeighs were +90 (But changed to +95 because of the High Crater Bounty Hunter Update, as it had quite an effect on the clan). We don't need higher requirements than the ones I proposed, sure higher can be better but it'd have an effect on our skillers and new recruits. The +105 purely allows us to attract Lower levels into the clan and skillers as well as PvP'ers who enjoy a good community. This suggestion is so we can keep up with the Clan World, from what I understood WG's strength in the past was numbers and not levels. Well the problem is that WG has neither right now, and it's almost impossible to get more than 100 active recruits at these time for a community clan because the clan world is slowly losing more and more members. So the main option for us now is proper organization and a decent (Not high) combat average. This Requirements update can push us up to 118 F2P if not more without any effort of members. Of course members are encouraged to train, but this would take so much stress off their backs as they have an excuse to use on those who constantly push them to train. Some people may say that Skilling, not just warring and pvp, also needs updating (In terms of more suggestions), That's quite true and I agree, so if you have an idea to improve skilling then please share it with us by making a post. Plus having 105 F2P for graduation would make us get more quality members, because they want to train, for us, for our clan. This proves great dedication and also it won't demolish the work of many who constantly train just to raise our clan's average. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 08:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | maybe we can have 102cmb req for graduate, but then 105 by the second month. so if they get 105 before they graduate, win. Also not al members joining that are < 105 are going to be lvl 100, 102's or even 104's could join, meaning people may not need as much combat levels. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||
Posted: February 23, 2009 08:43 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Only if it's going to be strictly enforced then sure, as long as they'll get 105 F2P
Exactly. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Fair Compromise for New Requirements