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Posted: February 25, 2009 03:45 pm  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112    | Over the past few weeks and months there have been a lot of disputes regarding training and attending wars. After talking to one of the Anti-War members I feel this compromise would suit everybody without reverting back to the flawed sector-system. Our Runehead memberlist is used by all rival clans to size-up our strength and determine wars/runins. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in having members on there who aren't going to show up. So why don't we just remove them from the memberlist? Why don't we impose an opt-out system for our long-standing members who by no means deserve to be kicked for not wanting to war despite just being dead weight on our memberlist. We could allow all current members the option to be removed from the memberlist. This would have several implications, members removed from the memberlist would be: -Not allowed to attend ANY clan-vs-clan events. This inclues allied PKs, Wars, Run-ins or competitive Clan vs Clan events like Fight Pits. -Placed onto the emeritus memberlist. -Retain their access to IRC, Froums and all community/skill related events. -Option to opt back into the main memberlist (with agreement to become active on the PKing/Waring scene) at any time. This would settle all disputes between the vast majority of WG who enjoy wars/raids and the persistent nagging from the few die-hard skillers that keep refusing to war. This would also benefit the PKers because our Memberlist would become cleaner and contain only the members who would realistically turn up to a fight. One of the reasons we get owned so much is because despite our 80-man memberlist, a fair chunk of those people refuse to show up because they are "skillers". Let's just give them what they want, It'll shut them up at least. They'll no longer be nagged to attend wars and our memberlist will be updated to give an accurate dictation our our strength. Everybody wins. This will only apply to current members who got fucked over by the sectors closing. All new applicants are required to agree upon joining that they will remain active on the pking/waring front. That's how I'd sort this problem anyway. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 03:47 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Epic Idea tbh, Removes our dead weight, that doesnt wanna Raid/PK. And will give us an accurate assessment of what we SHOULD pull to wars. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 03:50 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | That works if you ask me. One thing though: To avoid all accusations on us about 'Mass Recruiting' by transferring members from The Emeritus List to our accurate ML, We should impose a limit of one transfer per month max in my opinion. (If they're allowed to switch ML's, that is) --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 03:54 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Mmm does sound like a good idea. I only think 5-10 people would opt out though so it's not too big of a deal removing them from the memberlist. One problem would be they might not have many events to attend, it's basically like them being emertius but plying runescape  --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: February 25, 2009 03:59 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | good idea steve. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 03:59 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Being on the emeritus ml is fine, but I would want on the forum to be able to keep my rank. Maybe anyone without a rank could be *skiller*. During skill wars, we would need to be added to the main list. Edit: I think being able to come to war trainings would be nice. Never know when someone might just improve and want to war. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 04:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I don't think we should ban the skillers from the combat events, because a number of them are in fact willing to go, it's that they don't want the pressure of having to train a majority of their game time to meet the desired combat levels. Let them still be a full fledged member of WG. I think we should create a war list (it's been suggested before) people that agree to be on the list, agree to try their hardest to make the wars. They will be punished for not showing up, returning and stuff that would be required of a fighter. The list would accurately show our strength in terms of fighting. So clans would use this to determine our combat capabilities. HOWEVER We would allow skillers to attend the wars, or PKRIs if they wish to. It shouldn't have to much of an impact on wars and such because we wouldn't expect them to turn up to the fights, and they wouldn't be required to. I think that's a good compromise. Obviously we'd have different standards at that point. Activity for the war list would be made up of combat events mostly, and for those not on the list, they would be expected to attend the skiling/community events. Attending a number of the other group would be seen as going above what is needed from the member and such. Yes, this is basically what the sectors did. I can't really think of a way to truly appease both sides without doing something that basically splits them up in this kind of manner. Keeping both parts as active members of the clan, but letting them do what they want. I think my training proposal would be a good start if tweaked properly. It would require steady training but give those training a large amount of time to do what they want. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 04:49 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | What if a skiller opts out, but wants to war for like once? --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 05:11 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | I don't like this Idea at all - It only gives options for people to opt out of clan events - which is not really what is needed in a clan which likes to maintain a strong community. We need to be able to make sacrifices for one another, with people 'anti skill' going to skill events and people 'anti war' coming to war events. Also, It's like breaking the entire clan into two... and that's been done before. How did it turn out again?  I had this Idea a few months ago, but kept it to myself because the cons outweighed the pros  ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 06:08 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | Death to skillers  --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 06:28 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | Ok this is how i think it should work. We keep our current memberlist and we make a new list called the WG warring list very much like TDM. We then use our CURRENT memberlist FOR RAW wars. We use our NEW warring list for short prep fights, PKRI, clan wars ETC. Any1 who is on the warring list is EXPECTED to attend raids. Raids are optional for those on the CURRENT ML. So all we do is make a new ML call it WG warring and add our warring members. Exactly like it is done in TDM. It seems to work for them so why not for us ?? --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 06:32 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Stokenut Group: Guest Posts: 2062 Member No.: 805 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 112 |
That sounds good too. -------------------- Over 6 years of history and friendship, deleted over a difference in an opinion. --- Challenge any creationist to a debate. They'll run away and aggressively accuse you of "attacking" them and their "beliefs". I'm sorry, please, keep teaching our kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't believe. Mutilate their genitals against their will while you're at it. Keep influencing politics and holding back vital scientific research. I'll just keep my mouth shut to "respect" your "beliefs". | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 08:09 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Yar. Also I agree with Rachy, give them skiller rank. And maybe make WG Skillers ML? --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 08:16 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | No, TDM's list isn't doing them any good right now. Trust me, it's acting like a clan within a clan. The member unrest about it is very huge. I agree with the initial idea but definitely NOT Groedius' idea, I know what I'm saying from personal experience (One of the first members of TDM's war list, the issues that rose from it standing was huge). It's not working for them, all what it's done is reduce their pulls super huge. TDM made the warring list because they pull 20'ish people to short prep wars out of their old 180 members ML at times. What it did is make sure the 20'ish is accurate. Plus, look at what it's going to do to our recruitment, it'd make our ML way smaller and not as accurate as it seems because there are people who are skillers, don't like to PvP but don't mind coming to PvP events every once in a while. Also note that TDM has HUGE problems regarding some of their fights because they are accused of mass recruiting (As they can transfer 20 members at once to their warring list if people want, which doesn't really keep things clean). Personally I like the initial idea because it'd mean future members will help us out, but I'd rather stay as we are right now instead of making a TDM-like warring memberlist. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 08:42 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | What about those members who do want to war and pk but dont train.. *colin* i mean i know some of them like to war but they will still make us look weak. Nontheless good work steve not just jacking off all the time are you.. just most of the time -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 08:52 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
no u and i like it. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 09:32 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Joe mamma27 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 106 Member No.: 1589 Joined: December 26, 2008 Total Events Attended: 12 | Sounds like a great idea. Doesn't sound like a split as the other people were suggesting with sector.s -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 25, 2009 09:46 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
Yes pls  --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||
Posted: February 26, 2009 02:14 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | If we're going to go in this direction, why not just have a "Skiller" rank that's excused from mandatory PvP events. I don't like it because it'd just be a glorified/ostracized welfare rank, but it's better than doing nothing at all. Maybe. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 26, 2009 04:45 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 |
Ok then since you reckon this idea is bad then what do YOU propose we do ? -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 26, 2009 05:44 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | I propose that we do not need a specific rank/memberlist for two or three individuals as it would only cause people to become lazy and see it as a way to escape war activity. We're not splitting the clan. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||
To suit both parties