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Posted: March 3, 2009 02:10 am  | |||
     IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34    | Hey everyone. I know we all have been a little shocked by this mass abandonment by some of the more respected members of WG. Well the fact is it's not as big a deal as it's being made out to be. If you really look at it many of those people have been contemplating it for awhile and only did it now because of all the other people doing it. Now that doesn't mean that their cry should go ignored. We are swiftly moving from warring and pking, towards skilling. How can a clan be called the Wilderness Guardians and not want to better themselves in wars? Im sorry to say, but you all are being selfish. A five level raise and you all lose your minds. The req raise was not even going to affect the current members because of what we call a "grandfather" clause. Now skillers aren't the only selfish ones. A mass of players leaving say its because we lack PVP. We do. But leaving and then condemning us isn't going to change anything. Make a post, message a council member. Don't just leave and say, "see we're all leaving we can take your shit anymore." Its selfish. Now I do admit that some of you leaving have tried to make your point. Lee was the first to leave then a couple others, Everyone else Im almost certain was just jumping on the bandwagon because they thought they were becoming part of the movement and will no doubtedly come back within a few months. We have plenty of members. The ones that left because they didn't get their way can leave. They obviously didn't think that they could have made a difference in the way they thought the clan should be heading. Let us make it better. Let us make this a stronger clan, So it doesn't happen again. I blame both parties for being selfish and hurting the community. Stop argueing and remember the good times and reach compromise so this doesn't happen again. --------------------    | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 02:16 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | I don't feel that its a lack of PvP. I think its more that the selfish skillers don't want to help the clan in PvPing. I'm not putting anyone down, cause I do it myself occasionally. But in all honesty, over the past few weeks we had FAR too much PvP. I think the problem is when so much PvP comes hour after hour, day by day, people don't attend as many PvP events. Then other PvP-oriented members become angry. The only real solution is to slow down PvP events so that we get more attendance to each one. Still, PvP-oriented members would get angry because its not enough events for them. Its lose-lose for us, it seems. --------------------   | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 02:24 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Look, you can't pin this on skillers; you can count us on one hand. We don't do what you do; you have to figure out a way to do what you want without making us do what we don't want to do. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. Stop sticking thumbtacks in me it hurts.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 02:28 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
If you look at it Im blaming both of you. You're both being selfish. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:08 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I've been called a terrorist, a prick, and now selfish for things I've said in this clan. That doesn't mean I'm going to unsay them when I think I'm right. There are two very distinct groups in this clan with two very distinct values when it comes to this game, but we're still family. Just because I don't like warring (or to be more specific, multi-combat warring; I'm all for single-combat fights) I'm less worthy to be in this clan than someone who is? That's not what WG stands for: community first, fights on the side. There's no reason you guys can't maintain an effective fighting ability without dragging us along with you BECAUSE THAT'S NOT RIGHT. We should be able to do what we enjoy while you do what you enjoy; ying yang shabang. We've not having trouble today because there are skillers in this clan, we've having trouble because we don't know how to work together! Our goals are not incompatible, it will just take time and effort and understanding from both sides. But now everyone just wants to give up and figure out who is going to take the blame. BUT THERE IS NO BLAME. Blame requires responsibility, and I cannot in good conscience name any individual or group of individuals in this clan who are personally responsible for this situation. Now we have to rebuild and reinforce rather than attack and destroy the only bonds that any clan has ever had holding it together, and that's friendship. Any clan without it doesn't deserve the name. If you want more people at wars, recruit them. If we want better accommodation for players who don't like wars in this clan, we should be lobbying for change. Everything about who we are and what we are is in our own hands; we need to work together and if we do there's nothing stopping us all from being perfectly happy with whatever aspect of this community we personally find most endearing, because in the end that's what will hold us together or break us apart: whether or not we respect each other enough to understand one another and stop trying to force our clanmates to be people they don't want to be. Apologies for the megaconglomerate paragraph. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:24 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
Warring is a part of this clan, a major part, and it always has been. When EVERYONE applied they knew that. Alot of skillers are simply choosing not to take part in warring and sometimes even demonizing it. Refusing to war is completely against a major part of what this clan is and always has been. Yes we do need to work together I agree. Instead of bickering among each other we need to set a common goal and include both aspects. Both parties need to attend both types of events instead of demonizing each other. Id like to emphasize BOTH. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:29 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | major typo in my post but it's fixed are fixed to aren't* re-read. Sorry about that, It really changed how the post was meant. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:31 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | Oh is it moving towards skilling clan?  Didn't realise that, I thought skilling clans are a completely different take, there's a number of skilling clans out there that looks nothing like this though.Anyways, nice, making it better would be by recognising what went well. But I'm curious... Since it's a community (supposedly), there seemed to be an invisible trend that I have witnessed in the past couple of years, watching people leave, be it mass or not mass leavings: (1) Combat requisite raised. Percentages of skillers deciding to leave are extremely low, as a matter of fact they fought to stay. Either try training or presenting their stance. But they usually opt to stay with the community and still try, whether with little progress or not. (2) Combat requisite not raised. Percentage of fighters deciding to leave is pretty high. Profess love for community but better or same love for combat. But frequency of leaving is higher. That decision to serve one's adrenalin need seemed higher. Both scenarios presents unfavored decisions to either factions when applied. Yet two very different reactions. Skillers have been bashed whether or not combat requsites are raised, it has happened several times till it doesn't make any more sense. Tsunamis happens when hardcore fighters don't get their way. Blaming don't fix things. Much better to spend time addressing compromises and moving on. It takes just the right ingredients to make a great soup, or else you'll never make the type of soup you want. If its always been community first, then choosing to leave over requisites is a personal preference not necessarily pro-community. So, in this case give skillers a break  -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:35 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | I made a type-o which changed how I meant the post to come out. I was blaming both parties for being selfish and hurting the community. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 3, 2009 03:51 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | That makes more sense.  At the same time though, I think it'll backfire. Currently we've got PvP events and a group of people who don't want to go to them but are supposed to. If we emphasize everyone going to both PvP and skilling events as having equal priority, everyone will be pissed. Just from my point of view, I'd prefer if we were able to allow everyone to prioritize what they want to do, as long as they do it in a way that keeps the clan active. That would be my utopia. -------------------- | ||
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