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Posted: March 22, 2009 03:04 am  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499    | I'm looking for an answer right now. Maybe you can help me find it. Well, the question is, where the fuck is everybody? I honestly can't find the answer. Every single member of this clan has a responsibility. You guys joined in the first place, you promised to come to events, you promised to come on the forums and IRC, you promised to be a Wilderness Guardian. As council, I've been trying to find a solution to activity, yet have fallen short each time. Strange, out of the ordinary events - Failed. Event of the month - Failed. Guardianscore - Failed. "Mega"Raids - Sort of failed. I really don't know what to do next. The Wilderness Guardians clan has 67 members at the moment. 67 is a lot of people, imagine 67 of us in a room in real life - it's a lot. Each and every one of us needs to pull their own weight. Becoming a better clan is a team effort - every time you "don't feel" like coming to a raid or event, you let us down more than you think. What if we lost a war by one person? What if an extra 3 damage would get us that kill? I recently made an Event Questionnaire in general matters. Just about 95% of you said that events would be much more fun if we had more people. But like I said, 67 is a lot of people! So if everyone came... YES! IT WOULD BE FUN! I have heard so many excuses in my time as council, I could write a an excuse book and make million of dollars. Not really, but the point still stands. When we make one-week prep raids/wars, we usually get about 50-50 yes/no. So you're saying that 33 of you have something to do EVERY weekend during the day? C'mon, it's the fucking weekend. I'm a student, I run track, I get tutored every Saturday, and I STILL find time for events. I'm sure a few of you are very busy, but no way all 67 of you are. Apart from long prep events, the short ones are still a problem. Today, Mickey and I spammed the chat for the American raid. In 5 minutes of spamming, no one joined #wgwilderness. Not a soul. Yes, eventually people started coming, but the enthusiasm was terrible. By the way, we only pulled 14 WG members. 14/67 = 9%. 9% to a raid? Yeah, and earlier today we had tears of Guthix/Fightpits, and pulled an astonishing 7 people! As I said before, as a council member, I hate seeing my efforts go to waste. Should I take back my weekends staying up till 4am doing work with Lordy? Should I take back all of my "attempts" at increasing activity? Should I stop hosting events? Should I no longer accept applications? I'm just fucking confused. There you have it. A council's rant. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:09 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | Yeah today I didn't go to the ToG event/after event because I was doing the Jagex Skill Cup trials. Would that be a valid excuse not to go to one, because you were already doing one like SoTW or something? Edited by Randy- serious thread is serious --------------------  | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:10 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | Yeah this is really starting to get annoying, and i am actually considering DF again. 14 people to an american raid? Wouldn't be the first time... --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:11 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | /end rant Agreed. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:14 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | In a way I agree with this, but in a way I dont. Event activity isn't helped when the only events held are the weekly GWD and ToG, and raid activity isnt helped by the fact that the thread was posted like the same day as it was run. I would have loved to be there today but I am in the middle of an assignment which is working towards a week long lot of field work later this year, kinda important since it's 70% of my grade  Hopefully the Aus raid is run this week. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:15 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 |
True, but ToG is ALWAYS followed by something random. Today it was fight pits. What was the last time you were at fight pits? I enjoyed it, however it would of been 100x more fun with more people. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:20 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
See but the problem is, why have 8 events a week, when it will be the same 7 people attending those events. more events does not exactly mean more people joining, most of the time it will just mean more event points for those 7 people. pull 15-20 people to an event. then we make more. -------------------- Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:23 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Actually I have had something going on every Saturday except for a rare few since mid-January, but it is something that I believe I notified people of and I still have tried making events, even with things to do for the majority of my Saturday (my activity has been band competitions usually from 10 AM CST to 10 PM CST on average). Honestly, I believe people are taking advantage of WG. They come to WG expecting the laid back attitude that either they used to have in WG before they left, or they have heard from others, or they have assumed that we have. This then causes them to take this attitude and put themselves in the situation to where they feel like they can do as they please and receive no punishment. Maybe a little sense needs to be knocked into their heads? Also, honestly, I believe WG needs recruitment. I know Elias (I heard he is now again Gene) is working on his flash recruitment video, which is great, but we cannot wait for that to come out to start recruitment. I have seen from applications that Moose has been trying to recruit people; in all aspects if we did anywhere near the same amount of recruiting that he did, then we would have to find some good quality members to bring our member count up, which would then raise our activity, which would then increase our performance, which would then create a good morale, which would then go back to the beginning and follow the cycle. A clan that is going down with no-one to try to bring it up, is going to go down. Why? All of the previous actions that I have mentioned are reversed and the cycle goes downwards. As members of WG we need to try to be those who bring us up; those that will bring WG back to the "glory" point that people mention as in 2005 or 2006 or whatever years WG was a powerhouse P2P clan. My encouragement? Be a member, support your clan. I have vowed myself to try talking to every person that I see whilst doing a slayer task and try to ask them to join WG. We can't rely on just a few members, just a few council, and Elias/Gene. Be yourself and rely on yourself to make WG a better place. /rant /encouragement Okay. It is all out.  --------------------      | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:24 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | You guys say you don't see any events during the week. There are plenty, and there used to be 3x more than there are now. You want to know what happened? People, like now, didnt show up. And still dont. What do you want us event leaders to do, when we find a fun event. Spend time prepping for it, and see 4-7 people come. Please tell me, i really want to know. It's been nearly 1 year that i've been at the high rank, i've seen lots. I've put up with lots, but there really is so much somebody can put into work. Now if you guys promise me to boost up that activity and help liven up this clan, i can promise you more effort. But if you guys don't try, tell why i should? Tell me why any of the other Staff member should try...? ~Saad -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:26 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
'suported As said in my previous post. -------------------- Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:30 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Well.. I would just edit my post, but A.) I want post count, and B.) I don't know where I would put it. Everyone seems to make blame on leaders for not making events, or not doing shit for you, but if you see a problem, you should try your damnedest to try to help where you can and also address it with a council member/raid leader/event leader. For example: I see a problem with recruiting, I increase my effort into recruiting. Just do it. This isn't a place where everything is put upon the leaders, it should be up to the members to do their own part, which should be make the clan thrive. To do this you want to attend as many events, recruit as many people, encourage as much as you can... simply: improve. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:34 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | I'll try recruiting more. I should have made the raid but wasn't sure there would be one. So I went to arma with a friend. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:34 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | If you see a lvl 100+ on rs. just type: !clan NAMEHERE on irc, and if they aren't in a clan. you can simply ask them if they would like to be. -------------------- Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:38 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | You know what, I know a lot of people. I'll start networking and stuff. I bet I can get 5-10 good people to join.  -------------------- | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:40 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
Now... If everyone kept that up, it would be great. Spread the word, spread the encouragement, spread the recruitment. Together as a clan we can make WG great. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:53 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I like Saad's post... if we, the members put little effort into WG, why should the leaders? Come on, we have an amazing clan here, lets put it to use. Make the effort, show up to events (even if you don't like them!), and make WG a better place. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 04:54 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | Didn't go to raid or ToG. So I have no grounds to defend myself. Never saw spam. And I most likely wasn't on. Possibly do an inactivity sweep?? --------------------    | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 08:19 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | umm, i have been event leader for a good 5 months ish now. and i dont think i have hosted an event over 7 people. so why is it such an issue now? --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 01:03 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 |
Well Jayson, it's a bit different for you. Because you are Australian, you can't expect the best pull. When your events are like midnight GMT, and 4-5am EST you shouldn't expect to have an irc full of people coming to the event. I don't blame you either, it's not your fault. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 01:37 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I honestly cannot be active right now. I'm booked morning to evening five days out of the week and the other two days I have crap to do, even though I'm on RuneScape more than I expected I would be at odd times of the day events just aren't a priority for me right now. When we're in summer, it'll probably be alot different. I can start helping out more then.  --------------------  | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 01:49 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | Agreed with it all, Randy. Months ago, I hated events like wars and tanking practices. I started going to better the clan, and then it became a habbit, and then I started to enjoy them. Now look where I am. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 03:28 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | The raids are the same time every week, it's really not that difficult to figure out. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: March 22, 2009 08:52 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
i have hosted my fair share of non aussie events, my top attendance event of 7 was in est times. -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: March 23, 2009 11:50 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 | It's Simple you mass recruit this is what happens, Im sorry mass recruiting gives u 1 gd en outta 10-20. the rest won't be up to scratch. We have 2 many inactives, who are allowed to get away with it, if you booted the inactives our memberlist would shrink MASSIVELY. For me personally lack of ppl at the events i can deal with, it's when its the SAME ppl, the SAME events. Ie every Godwars its indiv,me,sooth and 2-3 others (although i missed last one due 2 work). We need More raids OR different times (There ALL ON A SUNDAY FOR GMT) which means if ur working sunday ur screwed. We need MORE events (yes sad makes a valid comment) but if not more MAYBE try somat different put up a poll for a week and go thru them one/two a week, whichever finish's first do that first then 2nd etc, and just circuit them. Just a idea, if i think of some more ill post em. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: March 24, 2009 12:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | No one goes because there is not enough allegiance and pride to be part of the clan. People just checked the YES box to being active because they knew saying NO would mean a failed application. People want the short cut out. They want to be in our fun, epic IRC channel but not have to give anything to return. Fuck all you freeloaders I hate your guts. It seriously makes people question why the hell they even try in this clan. Why do you think we had mass leavings 4-6 weeks ago? It was directly because of laziness within the clan. Laziness is BOTH a) the people who "can't afford" raiding and warring and  the people who just fucking flat out ditch. I hate your guts, and I would ban you from this clan if I could pinpoint you guys. You have no idea what we are capable of, but too many are just yanking us down."You are only as strong as your weakest link." I think this is very applicable to this situation. We aren't going to beat any clan even remotely within our league without you guys trying. Seriously, if you're online get the fuck there. Skills won't ever change and you will ALWAYS have time to work on them. You can fix your bank later, but your clan only participates in "serious business" a handful of times a week. It isn't an option to show up, its a duty and a calling. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||||
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